Sandra Nomoto

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[01:01] SPEAKER_02: We're super excited this afternoon to have Sandra Nomodo with us. Welcome to the show Sandra.
[01:08] SPEAKER_02: Thanks so much for having me Angie. Absolutely a little bit about Sandra. She is a writer
[01:12] SPEAKER_02: and aspiring world traveler. Learning her university degree and working in public relations.
[01:18] SPEAKER_02: At the age of 25, she launched conscious public relations
[01:22] SPEAKER_02: ink, a virtual communications firm. And over the next 10 years in business,
[01:27] SPEAKER_02: Nomodo was awarded the 2009 volunteer of the year by women in film and television
[01:33] SPEAKER_02: VanCouver. She earned a B corporation certification and contributed to E Women Network VanCouver,
[01:40] SPEAKER_02: earning the best social media and community engagement award in 2016.
[01:44] SPEAKER_02: That doesn't end there. Sandra also founded and grew the VanCouver short film festival from 2005
[01:50] SPEAKER_02: to 2015. And is the author of the newly published book, The Only Public Relations Guide You'll
[01:57] SPEAKER_02: Ever Need. She blogs at Sandranomodo.com and for cold tea collective and serves on the board of
[02:04] SPEAKER_02: the VanCouver mural festival. She practices transcendental meditation daily, sells a line of bold
[02:11] SPEAKER_02: journals and has been eating vegan since 2008. What is transcendental meditation?
[02:19] SPEAKER_03: It's a type of meditation. There are many. And from my knowledge, this is the most popular
[02:26] SPEAKER_03: practice one around the world. And it was founded out east. It's actually a practice that's been
[02:33] SPEAKER_03: done thousands of thousands of years. But it was a fellow named Marishi. I forget his name now,
[02:40] SPEAKER_03: but he was the one who brought it to the west from India in the 70s. And since then,
[02:47] SPEAKER_03: it's been able to grow around the world. And especially here in North America. And yeah, I consider
[02:54] SPEAKER_03: myself pretty lucky to be practicing daily for it'll be five years in July this year.
[03:00] SPEAKER_03: Fantastic. How was a little bit more about yourself? Where you're from? And maybe a few details
[03:07] SPEAKER_03: on your current business. Sure. I was born in Montreal, but my family moved very quickly after I
[03:13] SPEAKER_03: was born to VanCouver where my dad got a job here at West and raised in East VanCouver. And this is
[03:21] SPEAKER_03: the area where I live now as well in the South Main area. After after high school, I got my degree
[03:27] SPEAKER_03: in English literature and film studies at UBC. And right after that got my career started in public
[03:33] SPEAKER_03: relations. So after working for a small firm for about a year and a half, I went from
[03:39] SPEAKER_03: intern to office manager and assistant to the partners pretty quickly. I decided to venture off
[03:45] SPEAKER_03: on my own. And that's when I started my business that I ran for a decade up until last year.
[03:51] SPEAKER_03: And currently I'm now contracting for a few different companies. One is this first CEO in the cannabis
[03:58] SPEAKER_03: space. She runs a new cannabis tech accelerator called Grotec Labs. Grotec Labs was founded
[04:07] SPEAKER_03: in August of last year. So it's a very new company. And it's a partnered with Victory Square
[04:14] SPEAKER_03: Technologies, which is a well-known technology fund. And so we are looking to find cannabis
[04:20] SPEAKER_03: technology startups to invest in as well as help them go through the process of scaling and
[04:27] SPEAKER_03: growing a company so that we can solve a lot of the pain points that are coming out of legalization.
[04:33] SPEAKER_03: You know, cannabis legalization is can be a great thing. But now there's, you know, between
[04:38] SPEAKER_03: all of the steps that, you know, we need to go through as far as regulations. We're really looking
[04:43] SPEAKER_03: to solve a lot of the gaps in pain points within that industry by investing in those who are
[04:51] SPEAKER_03: who are solving that here in BC. And yeah, Grotec Labs is the business and Grotec Labs.com is
[04:58] SPEAKER_03: that site. And the other is actually a very well-known Canadian entrepreneur named Madeline Shaw
[05:04] SPEAKER_03: who founded United Girls of the World Society, which produces G-Day for Girls age 10 to 12. So
[05:13] SPEAKER_03: some parents in Vancouver or Victoria might recognize that event. And she's also starting up a
[05:18] SPEAKER_03: pretty exciting co-working space that will be family inclusive called Nest Works.
[05:24] SPEAKER_02: Nest Works, awesome. Now I realized we're going back in time a little bit. I think of your
[05:31] SPEAKER_02: formulation copy. And part of this part of the podcast is understanding on your journey. So
[05:38] SPEAKER_02: I'm going to start my first farm. Did you think it's fine now? I think to start your company when
[05:44] SPEAKER_03: when you were starting out? No, I didn't look at outside financing. So I started out as a sole
[05:51] SPEAKER_03: proprietor, individual consultant that did, consultant, publicist, I would say. And really all you
[05:59] SPEAKER_03: need to do that job is a computer and then printer for, you know, documents. Now I barely
[06:06] SPEAKER_03: use my printer, but yeah, I would say I spend definitely no more than $1,000 of my own personal
[06:13] SPEAKER_03: funds on starting my business. And I actually created my own very first business cards by,
[06:21] SPEAKER_03: yeah, designing my own business card and getting that printed locally. And then I tell myself
[06:25] SPEAKER_03: flash at one point to even create my very first website. Flash is almost becoming redundant.
[06:31] SPEAKER_03: Is it in this day and age? Oh, absolutely. As soon as WordPress came into play, like that changed
[06:37] SPEAKER_03: everything. It just, yeah, it's such an easy platform. I still use it now for my personal site.
[06:42] SPEAKER_03: And that's the one that I recommend to everyone else. Awesome. Curious, how do you make money now?
[06:48] SPEAKER_03: So, as I mentioned, I'm an independent contractor for a few serial entrepreneurs. And I just,
[06:55] SPEAKER_03: as you mentioned, I just launched my first book. And that's definitely a side hustle, but a great
[07:02] SPEAKER_03: way, I would say to, yeah, to make some extra cash on the side. Well, it's a great to segue into,
[07:08] SPEAKER_02: you know, it's a big deal to run your own company and especially a PR company for 10 years. And
[07:14] SPEAKER_02: then, you know, transition that just to independent consulting. Tell us a little bit about your long
[07:19] SPEAKER_02: term vision and how, you know, maybe your book and what your ideas as far as what you've learned
[07:25] SPEAKER_02: so far, how your career will look like in the future. Yeah, that's a great question. If you ask me
[07:33] SPEAKER_03: that right around the time I closed down my agency, I would have had no answer for you. And
[07:38] SPEAKER_03: I would have said, you know, anything besides marketing and communications because, because,
[07:43] SPEAKER_03: yeah, I mean, I've done it for over 10 years now. And I feel like I'm ready to move on to something new
[07:49] SPEAKER_03: and, and hold some different skills. But yeah, being in a different role for these, for these
[07:54] SPEAKER_03: female entrepreneurs, it allows me to, I believe, use all of the skills that have gained as a business
[07:58] SPEAKER_03: owner and now apply it to their business. So a lot of administration operations, I am doing a bit
[08:05] SPEAKER_03: of writing and communications. But I love just learning about new businesses and being able to
[08:10] SPEAKER_03: provide solutions that, you know, they may not see. And I've had some time now to think about
[08:17] SPEAKER_03: what the next big step might be for me. And I'm really fascinated right now with therapy. And
[08:24] SPEAKER_03: specifically the hypnosis method of therapy because I know the brain has a huge, plays a huge
[08:31] SPEAKER_03: part in how we all operate. And I think that, yeah, there's, there's something untapped there that
[08:37] SPEAKER_03: a lot of scientists have talked about, but I don't think we've able to incorporate it quite,
[08:43] SPEAKER_03: quite into daily practice as we have meditation. So I'm thinking something around that maybe,
[08:50] SPEAKER_03: yeah, maybe something I'll be looking at when I'm ready to invest in more training. And also
[08:56] SPEAKER_03: because we're in a world now where we've got some huge complex problems to solve. And I believe
[09:01] SPEAKER_03: that if we can get some of that, some of those personal barriers out of the way, because we can't,
[09:06] SPEAKER_03: we all can't do it alone. We've got to learn to work with each other and work with other people
[09:09] SPEAKER_03: in order to solve these big problems. Yeah. And if we can't, if we can't do that, that's going to be
[09:15] SPEAKER_03: a huge issue. So, yeah, so I really believe it right now, whereas I was working with companies
[09:20] SPEAKER_03: and telling their stories, I really think my next calling might be working more one on one with
[09:26] SPEAKER_02: individuals. Super. What are the biggest benefits of being an entrepreneur, or at least, you know,
[09:34] SPEAKER_02: somebody who is servicing other entrepreneurs as well in Vancouver? I would say because Vancouver
[09:42] SPEAKER_03: and, you know, it's just some extent BC, I would say, we're a very small, to medium business type
[09:48] SPEAKER_03: of community. It's very easy to start your own business, I would say. Of course, it depends which
[09:55] SPEAKER_03: industry you're going in, but it's not hard to find like-minded communities who are in the same
[10:01] SPEAKER_03: industry, maybe mentors that, you know, you might want to work with, who might be able to lead you
[10:07] SPEAKER_03: along the way. A lot of networking opportunities, I feel like, you know, you're only one degree away
[10:13] SPEAKER_03: from whoever you want or need to reach. That's what I feel like it's like here in Vancouver.
[10:20] SPEAKER_02: I agree. It's pretty easy to get out and and meet people. So, what are some of the tougher things
[10:24] SPEAKER_02: or the challenges, maybe for our listeners who aren't yet doing business in Vancouver,
[10:29] SPEAKER_02: British Columbia? What should they be keeping an eye out as a, as a
[10:35] SPEAKER_03: entrepreneur doing business here? Yeah, great question. Something that I didn't think of when I
[10:40] SPEAKER_03: started my business was just the amount of competition. And so, that's not necessarily a bad thing,
[10:45] SPEAKER_03: because like I said, there's, there's a lot of small, medium businesses out there. I think what you
[10:50] SPEAKER_03: have to focus on now when you're starting a new business is how you're going to carve out that
[10:55] SPEAKER_03: each and stand out. Let's say you are going to start your own public relations or digital media,
[11:00] SPEAKER_03: a digital marketing company. What sort of market are you looking to target? Because there are a lot
[11:07] SPEAKER_03: of big firms out there who service many industries, but you know, if you're, if you're starting out
[11:12] SPEAKER_03: small or solo, it's almost better for you to carve out that niche and be known for a specific type
[11:17] SPEAKER_03: of PR or digital marketing that will help you set, set yourself apart from the competition.
[11:25] SPEAKER_02: If you were to start all over again and you just moved to Vancouver, this time you don't know
[11:30] SPEAKER_02: anyone knowing what you know now. You've been here for number years in business. What would you do?
[11:36] SPEAKER_02: And how would you do it all over again as a entrepreneur? Yeah, I mean, I, I feel like it's,
[11:42] SPEAKER_03: it was similar because I, I didn't set out to run my own business when I was younger and I kind of
[11:47] SPEAKER_03: just left into it. Definitely become a comfortable networking because that's the primary way that
[11:53] SPEAKER_03: you're going to meet, you know, whether it's partners that you're going to work with, meet clients.
[11:58] SPEAKER_03: I come across people all the time at networking events where like, oh, I hate networking, I hate,
[12:02] SPEAKER_03: you know, meeting people and I'm like, well, you're here. You know, you're, you're practicing now.
[12:09] SPEAKER_03: And you just got to get comfortable with that. And what I did was I spent a lot of time on meetup.com
[12:15] SPEAKER_03: and I went to every networking meeting under the sun that I could find and I found that that gave me
[12:22] SPEAKER_03: some great practice because I'm an introvert with just shaking hands, it's changing business cards,
[12:27] SPEAKER_03: talking to people. And if I were to do that again, I would probably spend less time doing that, you
[12:32] SPEAKER_03: know, maybe six months rather than, rather than two years. But yeah, if you get over that initial fear
[12:38] SPEAKER_03: of networking and then you know exactly where you need to be in terms of the clients or customers
[12:44] SPEAKER_03: that you need to find, then you're, you're much ahead. And then the second thing I would say was,
[12:49] SPEAKER_03: or what I would do is invest in some help with branding right off the bat. Because like I said,
[12:55] SPEAKER_03: I came up with my own logo and business card. But now what I advise or what I advise to
[13:01] SPEAKER_03: all my past clients and anyone else, you know, starting a business is, you got to really invest
[13:07] SPEAKER_03: that time in the branding and figuring out, you know, who are you or who is your company? What do you
[13:13] SPEAKER_03: stand for? What's your purpose? And have that really all come out in the design in the beginning,
[13:19] SPEAKER_03: because that's going to save a lot of time later on when you realize this happened to me.
[13:24] SPEAKER_03: You know, I'm running a company that actually doesn't reflect really accurately who I am or what
[13:30] SPEAKER_03: industry that I want to focus on. And so I have to do that process over again.
[13:34] SPEAKER_02: Bit of fun as far as your location, you know, we all do some of our best workouts side the office.
[13:39] SPEAKER_02: Is there a place in Vancouver or I guess even in NBC, maybe near where you live or work,
[13:46] SPEAKER_02: where you recharge, get inspired, or just go when you're needing to think?
[13:52] SPEAKER_03: I would say it's not really location dependent for me. It's definitely just spending time alone,
[13:59] SPEAKER_03: whether that's yeah, going for a walk outside. And I know many many of the DC entrepreneurs have
[14:06] SPEAKER_03: mentioned going out in nature. That's that is really important. We've got some great weather here
[14:12] SPEAKER_03: to do that on the West Coast. Yeah, or it's or spending time with with family and friends,
[14:18] SPEAKER_03: not talking business is always great. Or you've been watching like a really good TV series or
[14:24] SPEAKER_03: movie. Travel, I would say is also really important to me again to just hop out of that business mindset
[14:31] SPEAKER_02: and recharge. Sandra, do you think entrepreneurs have to be weird or unique? Of course,
[14:38] SPEAKER_02: in a positive way, I mean, or are they wired differently? I don't know if I would agree with either,
[14:45] SPEAKER_03: because I feel like everyone is weirder unique in their own way. And that's great. And like I
[14:51] SPEAKER_03: said, that's that may help you stand out from the rest of the competition in your industry.
[14:57] SPEAKER_03: And then as far as being wired, I think everybody can be trained.
[15:02] SPEAKER_03: Maybe there are some folks who, you know, may be born into a family of entrepreneurs. And so
[15:07] SPEAKER_03: they may have been exposed to it maybe growing up and they might have a leg up when they finally
[15:12] SPEAKER_03: decide to jump in. But I think, yeah, as long as you're dedicated, you can definitely train in
[15:19] SPEAKER_02: terms of the mindset that you need. Absolutely. Now, I mean, you've just written your own book,
[15:27] SPEAKER_02: but which I'll maybe ask another question a little later in the podcast. But what books are you
[15:32] SPEAKER_02: reading now? And why are they audio books? Are they physical, turn the page books? And can you
[15:38] SPEAKER_03: recommend anything in particular for our listeners? Yeah, right. Right now, I'm reading a lot of
[15:45] SPEAKER_03: personal books, which I didn't use to. There used to be huge stack of business books when
[15:51] SPEAKER_03: I was running my agency. So I would, I would select anything from, you know, the best sellers to
[15:56] SPEAKER_03: to books on marketing and especially cause marketing. But right now, I'm, yeah, I'm really enjoying
[16:01] SPEAKER_03: digging into more to into books that are personal topics of mind. So right now, I'm digging into
[16:08] SPEAKER_03: the ebook for becoming supernatural by Dr. Joe Dispensa. And he's one of, I would say, today's leading
[16:15] SPEAKER_03: scientists and personal development gurus, who's really into neuroscience and healing the body
[16:25] SPEAKER_03: with your mind. And so I'm, yeah, about halfway through that, it's super fascinating. Exactly
[16:31] SPEAKER_03: the type of stuff that I'm into right now in terms of, yeah, how to heal yourself, both,
[16:36] SPEAKER_03: both physically and emotionally just by tuning into what your mind can do for you.
[16:42] SPEAKER_02: Okay, I'm totally curious. Can you give us a sound bite? What's one thing that you can do
[16:48] SPEAKER_03: yourself to heal your body with your mind? Okay, so yeah, the type of meditation that I mentioned
[16:55] SPEAKER_03: earlier that I do is transcendental. And they, you know, they say you shouldn't try to think
[17:02] SPEAKER_03: any thoughts. But the method that Joe Dispensa introduces in becoming supernatural, he actually
[17:09] SPEAKER_03: introduces quite a few forms, but there is one that centers around the chakras of the body.
[17:17] SPEAKER_03: So starting from, you know, the chakras around the pelvis, going all the way up to the chakras
[17:23] SPEAKER_03: that that's above your head. So not even, not even on your body. And if you place your focus on all
[17:29] SPEAKER_03: those and send love and gratitude and healing thoughts to each of those centers, you would come out
[17:37] SPEAKER_03: of that healthier and, yeah, I would say more balanced. I think that's the concept of it. So,
[17:43] SPEAKER_03: yeah, that was one of the ones that was, yeah, that was pretty neat to me.
[17:47] SPEAKER_02: Awesome. Well, we talked a little bit about your meditation and, and, you know, the, the downside of
[17:54] SPEAKER_02: relaxing and relaxing the words. What about the outside of the center of the life? What are your
[17:59] SPEAKER_03: favorite activities in C. And what do you do? Yeah, well, I guess fitness is a big part of my life.
[18:08] SPEAKER_03: So I like, you know, going for runs with my husband in a neighborhood, I do you get home.
[18:14] SPEAKER_03: Like I said, like hanging out with friends on the weekends, love eating out. And I'm a, you know,
[18:20] SPEAKER_03: fairly new vegan. So Vancouver is great for those types of restaurants. Or we go out to, yeah,
[18:27] SPEAKER_03: to watch a movie. Now that it's getting warmer, you know, hiking season is under waste. So really
[18:33] SPEAKER_03: looking forward to that. Although some people hike year-round, it's good for them. I prefer the
[18:38] SPEAKER_03: warmer weather. Yeah, I just, I just learned to knit about a year ago. So that's, that's one cool
[18:43] SPEAKER_03: thing that I actually enjoyed doing while I'm doing more sedentary activities like watching
[18:47] SPEAKER_03: movies. I don't feel as lazy and I am actually doing something along with that. Awesome.
[18:53] SPEAKER_02: Give me one favorite vegan restaurant you've discovered in Vancouver. Oh, well, my favorite by far
[19:00] SPEAKER_03: is the Acorn, which is very vegan friendly. It was actually recently named the best vegan restaurant
[19:07] SPEAKER_03: in the world by one of the media outlets. Whoa, that's fantastic. Yeah, and that's right in my
[19:12] SPEAKER_02: hood right on Main Street. There you go. Sandra, this is always a tough question. But if you
[19:17] SPEAKER_02: weren't derling what you were, what you're doing now, you know, and you've made a transition
[19:22] SPEAKER_02: recently, I appreciate that. But if you could flick a switch and choose a completely another profession,
[19:28] SPEAKER_03: what would you delve into? Well, you know, world traveler is, is, you know, one of the titles that I
[19:33] SPEAKER_03: just call myself because I really do want to travel to more countries. And so if there was a
[19:39] SPEAKER_03: career that would allow me to travel and I love writing as well. So, you know, maybe something like
[19:46] SPEAKER_03: a travel journalist or writer blogger that would probably be it. What's the next destination on your
[19:52] SPEAKER_03: travel list? I am headed to Toronto and Montreal in September to visit a friend and also attend
[20:00] SPEAKER_03: a cousin's wedding. So, and I've been to both places, but really looking forward to introducing my
[20:05] SPEAKER_02: husband who hasn't been nice. Sandra, business, how a favorite word quote or sentence that you can share
[20:14] SPEAKER_03: with our listener. I've got a favorite quote. It doesn't necessarily need to apply to business,
[20:20] SPEAKER_03: but it certainly does in my opinion. And that's roll with the punches tomorrow's another day,
[20:26] SPEAKER_03: because everybody's got bad days and you certainly will when you run your own business. But yeah,
[20:32] SPEAKER_03: I think if you can, if you can remember that, you know, moments pass and there's always a better
[20:37] SPEAKER_03: opportunity coming the next day or the next moment that'll help get you through. If you had to pick
[20:43] SPEAKER_03: one or two words, describe yourself. What would they be and why? The first thing that came to me was
[20:51] SPEAKER_03: introvert, because I just think that describes me pretty well. I work best one-on-one with people.
[20:59] SPEAKER_03: I've gotten used to, you know, the big networking events now, but as well as public speaking,
[21:04] SPEAKER_03: but I do think introverts have this, have a unique ability to listen to others, and that can be very
[21:12] SPEAKER_03: useful in business. And the other would be intuitive. And I would not call myself that, you know,
[21:19] SPEAKER_03: maybe five years ago, but now that my, you know, I've been practicing meditation for quite a few
[21:24] SPEAKER_03: years now, and not only am I free from running my own business and asking myself a lot of
[21:31] SPEAKER_03: questions about what's next for me. I'm learning to hone my intuition a lot more lately.
[21:38] SPEAKER_02: And I am going to jump on that what's next for me and ask you, what are your top two or three things
[21:46] SPEAKER_02: on an inspired life list, whether it's a TED talk, you just launched the book, what's on that?
[21:52] SPEAKER_02: If you look forward to doing it in the next, say decade or so.
[21:56] SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I actually do have a personal bucket list, and there are quite a few travel destinations
[22:02] SPEAKER_03: on there. I'm just trying to think if there's, oh, one is, one is become a really good vegan cook.
[22:08] SPEAKER_03: And I think I'm, I think I'm well on the path to doing that because I've been, I've been cooking
[22:12] SPEAKER_03: vegetarian for quite a number of years now. Yeah, and I've got a good solid deck of recipes,
[22:18] SPEAKER_03: I would say that I'm, I've now started to share on my personal blog. So I'm just making sure that all
[22:23] SPEAKER_03: of those are, are refined and of course improving my, my, my, knife skills. But yeah, I think I'm
[22:30] SPEAKER_03: well on the way of that. And then probably one of the more unique travel experiences that I'd like
[22:35] SPEAKER_03: to have is going to New York Fashion Week with at least one of my siblings. So I'm the middle child
[22:42] SPEAKER_03: with an older sister and a younger brother and both of, and all of us, I would say are into fashion
[22:46] SPEAKER_03: a little bit in different ways. And so I think it would be cool for all of us to just go see a
[22:51] SPEAKER_03: couple shows in New York City, which is an incredible city. Yeah, and just have that experience together.
[22:57] SPEAKER_02: That's how I would love to tag along with you guys if you decide to go so good. Sure, we'll let you know.
[23:03] SPEAKER_02: Thunder, any advice you have received and, and put your heart, you can pass a bunch of
[23:09] SPEAKER_03: lunch, you can urge out British Columbia. I've received so much great advice over the years,
[23:15] SPEAKER_03: I have to say, but I would, what, what I have heard repeated so many times, and I would,
[23:22] SPEAKER_03: I would definitely repeat again, is that nobody does it alone and it really does require a community.
[23:28] SPEAKER_03: And even if you are a solo printer, you really do need to find a community of people that you trust
[23:34] SPEAKER_03: and that you can rely on that can refer you business. And yeah, it can just, can just be that cheerleader
[23:40] SPEAKER_03: squad for you because especially when you are starting out alone. Yeah, it can be hard to know who
[23:47] SPEAKER_03: to turn to, but yeah, it's definitely super important to find a tribe. Excellent.
[23:54] SPEAKER_02: This one is a little bit of fun just to get a little bit of insight on you, Sandra.
[23:59] SPEAKER_02: Now, if you can imagine there was a small tropical island just up of Fiji, has a phone booth,
[24:04] SPEAKER_02: but no internet. We're going to drop you off there and you won't have a computer,
[24:09] SPEAKER_02: smartphone or anything. You can use that phone booth, you know, for a call to get somebody to come
[24:14] SPEAKER_02: and pick you up. How long would you last on the island before you made the call?
[24:20] SPEAKER_03: You know, I love this question. It's so great. And so I've been thinking about my own answer.
[24:27] SPEAKER_03: And I actually think of two scenarios. So if I were dropped off, like, was absolutely nothing
[24:34] SPEAKER_03: on, you know, no backpack or anything, I wouldn't last very long to be honest because I'm not a
[24:39] SPEAKER_03: good camper. I'm a city girl. And so if I'm not able to keep myself warm or feed myself,
[24:44] SPEAKER_03: like I'm just not going to last for like 24 hours, probably.
[24:48] SPEAKER_03: The second scenario is if I know I'm going there, even without, you know, the smartphone or
[24:54] SPEAKER_03: anything, if I were able to bring the best in solar tech, in solar tech with me. So, you know,
[25:00] SPEAKER_03: I'm talking like solar inflatable tent, solar powered flashlights and grittles. And
[25:09] SPEAKER_03: like, then I'm going to have a good time. If I can sleep and I can, you know, I'm vegan. So I can
[25:15] SPEAKER_03: feed for food and make my own food, then, you know, I'm going to have a good time. I would say,
[25:20] SPEAKER_03: probably, try in last 10 days before I made that call to go home. Yeah, but I try as long as
[25:26] SPEAKER_03: for as long as possible to explore what's there on that island and swimming and just spend a lot
[25:32] SPEAKER_02: of that quality time alone. I think if I was ever to end up on a on a VG in the island in the middle
[25:37] SPEAKER_02: of nowhere, I would definitely choose Sandra to have as my vegan cook. I can tell you.
[25:44] SPEAKER_02: We would have fun. Yeah, we would have fun.
[25:53] SPEAKER_03: Best way to get ahold of me is my personal site, SandraNamoto.com. Or you can find me at that
[26:00] SPEAKER_03: with that name on all of the social media platforms. I'd say the last thing I want to say is,
[26:05] SPEAKER_03: yeah, please come and check out my book. You can have a look at it on Amazon or on my personal site.
[26:11] SPEAKER_03: And yeah, I think it's a really helpful guy that'll help anyone in an organization, whether you're
[26:17] SPEAKER_03: in marketing or running your business or not. And I think it'll give you some great tips on how you
[26:22] SPEAKER_03: can improve both your relationships with your employees or team, as well as your clients and
[26:28] SPEAKER_03: customers outside of outside of the company. And Toss again, we're just reminding you of the book
[26:33] SPEAKER_03: and the only public relations guide you'll ever need. Fantastic. So we've learned about
[26:39] SPEAKER_02: SandraNamoto, middle child, writer, aspiring world traveler, East and Cuba resident. And of course,
[26:46] SPEAKER_02: soon to be world guru, vegan recipe cooking collections. So thanks again for joining us, Sandra.
[26:54] SPEAKER_02: We've enjoyed having you here and I'm sure listeners have too. Thanks Angie.
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