Lesley Dumlao

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[00:00] SPEAKER_01: It's Toronto's podcast on the Canada's podcast network.
[00:06] SPEAKER_00: Hi everyone, this is Andrea Sassoum from Canada's podcast, Nations Number One Edge for
[00:11] SPEAKER_00: No Network.
[00:12] SPEAKER_00: Today, I have a pleasure of being here with Leslie Dumwau.
[00:18] SPEAKER_00: Leslie is a lot of things.
[00:20] SPEAKER_00: So she's the host at Canada's podcast.
[00:22] SPEAKER_00: She's a director of engagement at perceptible group.
[00:26] SPEAKER_00: She's a managing director at LD Marketing and a project coordinator at the City of Hamilton.
[00:34] SPEAKER_00: Leslie, it's a pleasure to have you here today.
[00:37] SPEAKER_01: Thank you.
[00:38] SPEAKER_01: It's plenty to be here.
[00:39] SPEAKER_00: So why don't we start off this great conversation by having you tell us a little bit about yourself
[00:46] SPEAKER_00: and all the roles and everything that you do.
[00:49] SPEAKER_01: I guess my main role right now is working for perceptible and being a host on Canada's podcast.
[00:55] SPEAKER_01: So I recently, I used to work for City of Hamilton, but I recently resigned.
[01:01] SPEAKER_01: I didn't go back after my gendered leave.
[01:04] SPEAKER_01: So no more corporate for you.
[01:06] SPEAKER_01: No more corporate for me.
[01:07] SPEAKER_01: I'm 100% entrepreneur.
[01:09] SPEAKER_01: So now I am a co-owner with perceptible, which is a marketing agency.
[01:15] SPEAKER_01: And that's where I spend 100% of my time as well as being a host on Canada's podcast,
[01:21] SPEAKER_01: which is all owned by perceptible.
[01:23] SPEAKER_00: That's awesome.
[01:24] SPEAKER_00: So you just kind of tried to take my job here.
[01:29] SPEAKER_00: So we're partners in this.
[01:31] SPEAKER_00: We're partners.
[01:32] SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
[01:33] SPEAKER_00: So what made you become an entrepreneur going from a corporate job and that's a big corporate
[01:40] SPEAKER_00: job working for the City of Hamilton to being an entrepreneur?
[01:44] SPEAKER_01: So it was a very hard decision.
[01:46] SPEAKER_01: And I think I thought about this before the interview, but I was raised in an entrepreneurial
[01:53] SPEAKER_01: household.
[01:54] SPEAKER_01: And so when I was just a child, it was three years old, my mom and dad started a welding
[01:59] SPEAKER_01: business.
[02:00] SPEAKER_01: I love it.
[02:00] SPEAKER_01: So you started really early.
[02:01] SPEAKER_01: I started at the age of seven.
[02:03] SPEAKER_01: Right.
[02:04] SPEAKER_01: So you're just exposed to it at a young age and it becomes normal.
[02:07] SPEAKER_01: So my dad quit his job as a welder and it's a high-paying trade to start as an unknown
[02:15] SPEAKER_01: business owner, right?
[02:16] SPEAKER_01: And from nothing.
[02:18] SPEAKER_01: So I saw him do that.
[02:19] SPEAKER_01: And I saw him working on his blue pranks every night around the kitchen table for years
[02:23] SPEAKER_01: and years on end.
[02:25] SPEAKER_01: And he still has that very successful business today.
[02:28] SPEAKER_01: So I was used to it.
[02:29] SPEAKER_01: And throughout school, I also went to entrepreneurial affairs.
[02:34] SPEAKER_01: And it was just kind of in my blood to always be creating something and just making something
[02:41] SPEAKER_01: from nothing.
[02:43] SPEAKER_01: So that was always part of me.
[02:46] SPEAKER_01: And yes, I was working for the government.
[02:48] SPEAKER_01: Yes, I was in a corporate role for a long, long time, for like 15 years of my life, of
[02:54] SPEAKER_01: my career.
[02:55] SPEAKER_01: That's all I was doing and that's all I knew.
[02:58] SPEAKER_01: And that's how I was educated as well.
[03:01] SPEAKER_01: But after we had our second child, my husband and I decided to use his strengths as a marketer
[03:09] SPEAKER_01: and my strengths as a project manager.
[03:12] SPEAKER_01: And we started our marketing company, LD Marketing.
[03:15] SPEAKER_01: And then a couple months later, it was very, very quick rejoin forces with perceptible
[03:22] SPEAKER_01: as partners in the business, partners and boomers.
[03:26] SPEAKER_00: That's awesome.
[03:26] SPEAKER_00: Did you always have that feeling inside that at some point you would go back to being an
[03:32] SPEAKER_00: entrepreneur, even though you were in a corporate world?
[03:36] SPEAKER_00: I for sure did.
[03:37] SPEAKER_01: And I think I didn't know what it was.
[03:39] SPEAKER_01: And maybe entrepreneurs, like those true entrepreneurs are going through this.
[03:42] SPEAKER_01: Like, why don't I want to do this, but I have no idea what to do.
[03:46] SPEAKER_01: You know, when I was in my teens, I was like, oh, I want to start a coffee shop, but I
[03:50] SPEAKER_01: want to do this and that.
[03:51] SPEAKER_01: But I never really knew I couldn't put my finger on what I wanted to do.
[03:55] SPEAKER_01: But now we're doing it and it's really enjoying the lifestyle.
[04:00] SPEAKER_00: So would you say that creativity is a big part of, I guess, being an entrepreneur, the
[04:05] SPEAKER_00: ability to create things as well?
[04:08] SPEAKER_00: Definitely.
[04:09] SPEAKER_00: With that, because you watched your parents or your dad, especially in your parents being
[04:15] SPEAKER_00: entrepreneurs, do you think entrepreneurs are born or made?
[04:22] SPEAKER_00: Are we wired differently?
[04:24] SPEAKER_01: So I thought about this as well.
[04:26] SPEAKER_01: And I think we have certain characteristics that differentiate entrepreneurs from people
[04:34] SPEAKER_01: who aren't entrepreneurs.
[04:35] SPEAKER_01: And I think those key characteristics are an ability to take calculated risks and an
[04:43] SPEAKER_01: ability to think outside the box and be creative.
[04:45] SPEAKER_01: So I think those are like two things that really wire a stuff differently.
[04:50] SPEAKER_01: So yes, we are, but it's not, it's not like a whole different set of wiring.
[04:55] SPEAKER_01: It's just like a couple things that are different.
[04:58] SPEAKER_01: I look like she's the one.
[05:00] SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
[05:03] SPEAKER_00: Awesome.
[05:03] SPEAKER_00: So, you know, we live in Toronto and Toronto, well, we live in Ontario, but Toronto has become
[05:12] SPEAKER_00: sort of a hub, Ontario in general has become a hub of events, you know, entrepreneurship.
[05:21] SPEAKER_00: What are some of the benefits that you see living in Ontario, that you see benefits of being
[05:28] SPEAKER_00: in Ontario or being in Toronto?
[05:30] SPEAKER_01: So I have had the opportunity to go to a lot of conferences and events and even went to
[05:37] SPEAKER_01: events in Prince Edward County that was, I think it was Toronto run by Toronto Business
[05:42] SPEAKER_01: Baves.
[05:43] SPEAKER_01: And just the opportunity to really collaborate with like minded entrepreneurs in the area
[05:48] SPEAKER_01: and just bounce things off of each other.
[05:51] SPEAKER_01: The community here is really, really strong and really interconnected.
[05:56] SPEAKER_01: So I'd say that's a huge benefit that I've seen so far.
[06:02] SPEAKER_01: So definitely connections here in the city and beyond.
[06:07] SPEAKER_00: And I think as entrepreneurs sometimes we'll feel isolated at certain points.
[06:13] SPEAKER_00: So as you mentioned, it's great to have that community and it's about building a community.
[06:19] SPEAKER_01: Yeah, especially for entrepreneurs who are only working with like a team of one or a team
[06:25] SPEAKER_01: of two or they're working from home, that's a really common trend that I'm seeing along
[06:29] SPEAKER_01: a lot of entrepreneurs that they feel like they feel lonely and they feel isolated and
[06:34] SPEAKER_01: they don't have anyone to talk to.
[06:35] SPEAKER_01: So it's really important to have those community groups to reach out to.
[06:40] SPEAKER_00: Great.
[06:41] SPEAKER_00: Some of your best ideas, you know, when do they usually come?
[06:47] SPEAKER_00: When do you get these aha thoughts, you know, is it at night?
[06:51] SPEAKER_00: Is it day?
[06:52] SPEAKER_01: I think it's when I'm actually grinding through working super hard.
[07:00] SPEAKER_01: Like when I'm so focused in front of my computer and then I'm actually like, oh yes, I have
[07:05] SPEAKER_01: just remembering all of the things.
[07:08] SPEAKER_01: I think my best ideas come when I'm very overwhelmed.
[07:12] SPEAKER_01: And that may be totally different to some other people, but when I'm under pressure, that's
[07:18] SPEAKER_01: when I think I'm working the best.
[07:21] SPEAKER_00: Wow, usually I hear the opposite.
[07:23] SPEAKER_00: It's when you relax or it's at night when it's calm.
[07:28] SPEAKER_00: That's different.
[07:29] SPEAKER_00: You know, that's the first time I'm hearing that.
[07:31] SPEAKER_00: So you work your best ideas come when you're really under the pressure.
[07:35] SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
[07:36] SPEAKER_00: Have you tried analyzing as to why that could be or, you know, I've always, like when there's
[07:42] SPEAKER_01: a lot on my plate, I always get the most done and that's when I'm thinking most critically.
[07:47] SPEAKER_01: So I don't really try to overanalyze it.
[07:50] SPEAKER_00: Awesome.
[07:51] SPEAKER_00: Awesome.
[07:52] SPEAKER_00: What are some of the best things about being an entrepreneur for you?
[07:58] SPEAKER_00: Because everybody has their own perspective, different journey, but what are some of the
[08:02] SPEAKER_00: best things about entrepreneurship?
[08:05] SPEAKER_01: So definitely for me, I'm a mom of two little kids and it's 100% the freedom and the flexibility
[08:13] SPEAKER_01: to make my own schedule, to work from home when I need to and just really having the flexibility
[08:20] SPEAKER_01: and I work with my husband.
[08:21] SPEAKER_01: So it doesn't get better than that.
[08:23] SPEAKER_01: It's a really good thing.
[08:24] SPEAKER_01: Some people amazing.
[08:25] SPEAKER_01: It's not, but I do enjoy having a family business.
[08:30] SPEAKER_01: So definitely great thing about being an entrepreneur.
[08:34] SPEAKER_00: And what are you most excited about in your business these days?
[08:39] SPEAKER_01: So for perceptible, we're growing and we're thinking about, well, we're looking for a new
[08:46] SPEAKER_01: office.
[08:47] SPEAKER_01: We're going to be hiring new staff.
[08:50] SPEAKER_01: We're really growing our business in some different ways as well as Canada's podcast.
[08:55] SPEAKER_01: So Canada's podcast has some new iterations coming as well that are really exciting and
[09:00] SPEAKER_01: I'm not going to divulge on this podcast, but they're up and coming and I think they're
[09:06] SPEAKER_01: just going to have to tune in and yeah, we're going to have to tune in and so I gripe
[09:10] SPEAKER_01: to all of our channels.
[09:11] SPEAKER_01: But definitely like some really, really exciting things to come in perceptible in the next
[09:17] SPEAKER_01: six months.
[09:18] SPEAKER_01: So yeah, growth is an exciting time in any.
[09:22] SPEAKER_01: It is.
[09:23] SPEAKER_01: It's a hard, it's a lot of hard work, but it's exciting at the same time.
[09:27] SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and it can be scary because there's a lot of different ways that you can, you have
[09:30] SPEAKER_01: to be focused, right?
[09:32] SPEAKER_01: So just being really focused on the vision and defining that path is difficult, but it
[09:38] SPEAKER_01: is very, very exciting.
[09:41] SPEAKER_00: So tell me about the vision you have for your business.
[09:44] SPEAKER_00: You said you're working on some really exciting things and the next this year will be great.
[09:49] SPEAKER_00: You're looking for a new office, new space, growing new team.
[09:53] SPEAKER_00: So what is the vision you currently have, you know, a year down the road for your business?
[10:00] SPEAKER_01: So I think a year down the road, we would like to, we'd like to have a bigger office
[10:08] SPEAKER_01: space, bring on some clients and really focus on our media properties so that being
[10:17] SPEAKER_01: cannabis podcast and we have a few other media properties that we're working on.
[10:22] SPEAKER_01: And so really focusing on those media properties driving the majority of our business.
[10:28] SPEAKER_01: So that would be, but as you say, two years, our vision.
[10:33] SPEAKER_01: So I think in two years, maybe having cannabis podcast as a business of its own,
[10:39] SPEAKER_01: is a subset of perceptible of its own and really growing and having its own team as well as
[10:46] SPEAKER_01: the other two media properties.
[10:48] SPEAKER_00: Wonderful.
[10:49] SPEAKER_00: Those are all exciting, exciting plans in the next two years.
[10:54] SPEAKER_00: So what drives you as an entrepreneur, you, Leslie?
[11:00] SPEAKER_00: What drives you towards that vision?
[11:04] SPEAKER_00: What drives me towards that vision?
[11:06] SPEAKER_01: The hard question, right?
[11:08] SPEAKER_01: It is a very hard question and I think there's different things, but for cannabis podcast,
[11:16] SPEAKER_01: specifically, it's helping other entrepreneurs and being able to create that community.
[11:20] SPEAKER_01: That is, that's what drives me to make a difference to other people who are going through
[11:25] SPEAKER_01: the same thing.
[11:26] SPEAKER_01: And this is what we went through when we started up or what we went through,
[11:29] SPEAKER_01: are going through now at any point in your journey, right?
[11:33] SPEAKER_01: So that helping other like-minded people is important to me and that would drive me
[11:39] SPEAKER_01: for that vision, for perceptible as a whole.
[11:43] SPEAKER_01: I think just being able to work on something that we own and that we've made and created
[11:51] SPEAKER_01: is, and then I'm passionate about, is what drives me as well.
[11:58] SPEAKER_00: What are the top three things on your bucket list?
[12:01] SPEAKER_00: And it can be personal and can be career related, but what are some of the three top three things
[12:07] SPEAKER_00: on your bucket list?
[12:08] SPEAKER_00: Leslie's bucket list.
[12:10] Speaker UNKNOWN: Oh, goodness.
[12:13] SPEAKER_00: I didn't think there were questions in the other pop quiz either.
[12:18] SPEAKER_01: I know all of these questions before I answer.
[12:20] SPEAKER_01: But they're false.
[12:25] SPEAKER_01: My bucket list, I want to go on a yoga retreat and that may sound funny, but-
[12:32] SPEAKER_00: Oh, I actually have friends who are going on a yoga retreat right now and I wish I could
[12:36] SPEAKER_00: be with them.
[12:37] SPEAKER_00: So it does not find something.
[12:39] Speaker UNKNOWN: 
[12:39] Speaker UNKNOWN: Okay.
[12:40] SPEAKER_00: A lot of people, that's their bucket list.
[12:43] SPEAKER_00: And you know what?
[12:44] SPEAKER_00: It's, it's very hard to get away nowadays, especially for entrepreneurs.
[12:48] SPEAKER_00: So that's why I think that makes it on a bucket list nowadays.
[12:54] SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so I definitely want to do that.
[12:56] SPEAKER_01: We call on yoga retreats.
[12:59] SPEAKER_01: I'm destination, I'm not really sure at this point, but-
[13:02] SPEAKER_00: Well, these, Bolly, you know, all of the above.
[13:08] SPEAKER_01: Second thing is I want to walk the, the great wall of China.
[13:14] SPEAKER_01: Wow.
[13:14] SPEAKER_01: I think that would be pretty amazing.
[13:18] SPEAKER_01: So that is amazing.
[13:20] SPEAKER_01: You just set my feet down and, and like the great wall of China.
[13:25] SPEAKER_01: So not right now, obviously, but-
[13:29] SPEAKER_00: Unfortunately not.
[13:30] SPEAKER_00: We'll have to wait a little bit for that one.
[13:33] SPEAKER_01: But yeah, it's definitely one day I would like to do that.
[13:37] SPEAKER_01: And that's it right now.
[13:39] SPEAKER_01: Is it?
[13:39] SPEAKER_01: Two?
[13:40] SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
[13:40] SPEAKER_01: Right back at this.
[13:42] SPEAKER_00: Always based for a third one in case you change your mind.
[13:45] Speaker UNKNOWN: 
[13:46] SPEAKER_00: Hold on.
[13:47] SPEAKER_00: Hold on.
[13:48] SPEAKER_00: I'm holding your place.
[13:49] SPEAKER_00: So what do you, what is some of the greatest challenges you as an entrepreneur had faced in your business?
[13:58] SPEAKER_00: You know, we as an entrepreneur is often have many, many challenges that we face throughout the years.
[14:05] SPEAKER_00: But one, what is one of the hardest ones you face?
[14:11] SPEAKER_01: So there's, there's two things.
[14:13] SPEAKER_01: So when my husband and I started our first business, Elding Marketing,
[14:18] SPEAKER_01: and it was difficult for us to even get clients at first.
[14:23] SPEAKER_01: We didn't know what we were doing.
[14:24] SPEAKER_01: So just navigating, even getting our first client and getting, putting together a proposal to invoicing.
[14:32] SPEAKER_01: We just did not know what we were doing at all.
[14:35] SPEAKER_01: So starting from scratch, that was, that was really an interesting time and finding the resources.
[14:42] SPEAKER_01: I found really challenging.
[14:44] SPEAKER_01: And so we were really lucky to team up and become owners of perceptible.
[14:50] SPEAKER_01: And like have that runway and everything was there for us afterwards.
[14:56] SPEAKER_01: But also another thing that I found challenging at the onset was for both my husband and I,
[15:04] SPEAKER_01: we both left our careers at the same time.
[15:07] SPEAKER_01: And we, it was very scary.
[15:10] SPEAKER_01: It was very scary, yeah.
[15:12] SPEAKER_01: We jumped head first.
[15:14] SPEAKER_01: We took calculated risks.
[15:15] SPEAKER_01: It took a long time to decide.
[15:18] SPEAKER_01: But we, we both quit our corporate jobs at the same time.
[15:23] SPEAKER_00: So even though it was something that was planned,
[15:26] SPEAKER_00: it was complicated correctly.
[15:28] SPEAKER_00: It's still scary because you, you are leaving behind the security of a corporate job.
[15:34] SPEAKER_00: The Monday to Friday and a steady paycheck.
[15:37] SPEAKER_00: And you are now jumping into this brand new thing that's completely new for you.
[15:43] SPEAKER_00: And you kind of learning with baby steps, you know, learning to talk and walk and,
[15:48] SPEAKER_00: and it's terrifying as entrepreneur.
[15:53] SPEAKER_00: And I think most of the entrepreneurs go through that initial stage because none of us knew what to do when we first started.
[16:02] SPEAKER_00: I know.
[16:03] SPEAKER_01: And having resources.
[16:04] SPEAKER_01: Well, I talked to you.
[16:07] SPEAKER_01: But that's the most important thing in the beginning, right?
[16:10] SPEAKER_00: Right.
[16:10] SPEAKER_00: Okay. All right.
[16:12] SPEAKER_00: So what is the best piece of advice that you've ever received?
[16:18] SPEAKER_01: I don't even know if this is like the best advice that I've ever received.
[16:22] SPEAKER_01: So my apologies in advance, but I think it's just to trust your instincts and go with whatever feels right.
[16:30] SPEAKER_01: And maybe like, I'm a person that I really realize a lot on my intuition.
[16:36] SPEAKER_01: But definitely that's maybe my mom or my grandma has told me that.
[16:42] SPEAKER_01: But definitely trust your instincts and do what feels right.
[16:47] SPEAKER_01: Sticks in my head a lot.
[16:49] SPEAKER_00: That's great.
[16:50] SPEAKER_00: And has that has that have you seen that actually applied in some of the decisions I'm going to go step further when making business decisions or people decisions.
[17:02] SPEAKER_00: Have you have you seen that initial instinct to be right?
[17:09] SPEAKER_01: It definitely has.
[17:11] SPEAKER_01: So when I didn't go back to my corporate job, for example, it just felt right to not go back.
[17:18] SPEAKER_01: And it wouldn't have felt right otherwise.
[17:21] SPEAKER_01: I want I wanted to join perceptible.
[17:24] SPEAKER_01: I wanted to give it 100% and just give my full energy.
[17:30] SPEAKER_01: That's what felt right and that's what my intuition might got this time.
[17:33] SPEAKER_01: So definitely.
[17:34] SPEAKER_00: It seems like you made a right decision.
[17:37] SPEAKER_00: I think so.
[17:39] SPEAKER_00: So now I'm going to move on to rapid fire questions.
[17:42] SPEAKER_00: I have eight questions for you.
[17:45] SPEAKER_00: And I don't want you to think too much about the answer.
[17:48] SPEAKER_00: I'm just going to throw them out there and tell me the first thing that comes to your mind.
[17:52] SPEAKER_00: Okay. Are you ready?
[17:54] SPEAKER_00: I think I am.
[17:57] SPEAKER_00: You don't sell too sure.
[17:58] SPEAKER_00: You're like, I've never heard of all these questions and I asked them all the time.
[18:04] SPEAKER_00: So different to be on the other side.
[18:07] SPEAKER_00: Okay. So if you weren't doing what you do for work now, what would you be doing instead?
[18:12] SPEAKER_01: I would be at the city of Hamilton or another government agency as a project manager.
[18:18] SPEAKER_01: So be government work.
[18:19] SPEAKER_01: Totally.
[18:20] SPEAKER_00: Awesome.
[18:21] SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
[18:22] SPEAKER_00: Number two.
[18:23] SPEAKER_00: What book are you currently reading?
[18:25] SPEAKER_00: And what books would you recommend to your or our audience?
[18:29] SPEAKER_00: If you're not reading any books, it can be any, you know, podcasts that you're listening to or any articles that you might have read.
[18:37] SPEAKER_00: So not a book necessarily.
[18:39] SPEAKER_00: Okay.
[18:39] SPEAKER_01: So I'm not a huge reader and the reason I shouldn't use this as an excuse.
[18:45] SPEAKER_01: But I have two kids and all of my reading goes into reading them bedtime stories.
[18:51] SPEAKER_01: So I'm not going to recommend any of those books to you.
[18:55] SPEAKER_01: It was Cinderella.
[18:56] SPEAKER_01: No, no, no, no, no, no.
[18:58] SPEAKER_01: No, it's no wait in the seven joyous.
[19:00] SPEAKER_01: There are no.
[19:01] SPEAKER_01: There goes.
[19:03] SPEAKER_01: But some definitely podcasts.
[19:06] SPEAKER_01: I'm listening to Canada's podcast and it's just, it's not just because I'm a host, but I actually enjoy listening to all the interviews by the other host as well.
[19:16] SPEAKER_01: Wonderful.
[19:18] SPEAKER_00: Number three.
[19:18] SPEAKER_00: Are you a morning or are you a night person?
[19:22] SPEAKER_00: I'm a morning person.
[19:24] SPEAKER_00: Okay.
[19:24] SPEAKER_00: Tell me why.
[19:27] SPEAKER_01: So I really like to stick to my routine in the morning.
[19:30] SPEAKER_01: Maybe my children have made me a morning person as well.
[19:33] SPEAKER_01: But I'm up at six o'clock.
[19:35] SPEAKER_01: I make them breakfast and I have my coffee or my chai latte.
[19:40] SPEAKER_01: Like I just really enjoy my routine in the morning.
[19:43] SPEAKER_01: And I also.
[19:47] SPEAKER_01: My husband and I go to.
[19:49] SPEAKER_01: Go to yoga or do some kind of exercise every morning too.
[19:52] SPEAKER_01: So I'm all looking forward to that.
[19:54] SPEAKER_00: So that's great.
[19:56] SPEAKER_00: Perfect.
[19:57] SPEAKER_00: Number four.
[19:58] SPEAKER_00: If you had to pick one word to describe yourself, what would be, what would it be and what?
[20:05] SPEAKER_01: So I've been called tenacious before.
[20:08] SPEAKER_01: And I think another word for that could be stubborn.
[20:12] SPEAKER_01: So I'm very stubborn, but I'm also very persisting and tenacious.
[20:17] SPEAKER_01: When I have my mindset on something.
[20:19] SPEAKER_00: That's great.
[20:20] SPEAKER_00: And I think it's a common trait with entrepreneurs.
[20:23] SPEAKER_01: Absolutely.
[20:24] SPEAKER_00: So maybe that's another.
[20:25] SPEAKER_00: That's a third thing that makes this wired differently.
[20:27] SPEAKER_00: I love it.
[20:28] SPEAKER_00: Okay.
[20:28] SPEAKER_00: Perfect.
[20:29] SPEAKER_00: Number five.
[20:30] SPEAKER_00: What is keeping you up at night these days, aside from the kids, which, you know, they keep us up at night.
[20:36] SPEAKER_00: But what's another thing that keeps you at wake at night?
[20:48] SPEAKER_01: And I'm just constantly thinking of little details and making sure that I'm getting everything done.
[20:54] SPEAKER_01: And that's one of the things that that's, I'm a warrior by nature.
[21:00] SPEAKER_01: And I always, I always wake myself up at night if I haven't done something.
[21:05] SPEAKER_01: And I'm always worrying that night.
[21:07] SPEAKER_01: So.
[21:08] SPEAKER_01: Yeah, unfortunately.
[21:10] SPEAKER_00: We believe them.
[21:13] SPEAKER_00: So number six, what is your favorite place in the world?
[21:17] SPEAKER_00: If you could pick one, maybe two, what's your favorite place in the world?
[21:21] SPEAKER_01: So I thought about this one and hands down.
[21:24] SPEAKER_01: It's, I grew up in a small town in Northern Ontario.
[21:29] SPEAKER_01: The town's called lively.
[21:31] SPEAKER_01: That's not my favorite place.
[21:32] SPEAKER_01: But about 45 minutes from there towards Su St. Marie, there's a little lake called Fairbanks Lake.
[21:40] SPEAKER_01: And I went there.
[21:41] SPEAKER_01: That's where my parents live.
[21:43] SPEAKER_01: And I basically grew up there living on the lake.
[21:47] SPEAKER_01: And it's the most beautiful, peaceful place in the world.
[21:50] SPEAKER_01: And yeah, that's my favorite place.
[21:54] SPEAKER_00: Wonderful.
[21:54] SPEAKER_00: And I love that you, I love the fact that your favorite place in the world is in Canada and is in Ontario.
[22:01] SPEAKER_00: It is.
[22:03] SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
[22:04] SPEAKER_00: Okay.
[22:05] SPEAKER_00: Number seven, what are the three non-negotiables that have to happen in your morning or evening routine?
[22:12] SPEAKER_00: Because everybody has some sort of morning evening routine.
[22:14] SPEAKER_00: I think you mentioned coffee and yoga with your husband.
[22:18] SPEAKER_00: So are those, is that part of your everyday morning routine or night routine?
[22:24] SPEAKER_00: Whatever you have.
[22:25] SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so definitely my, I'll tell you my morning routine.
[22:28] SPEAKER_01: So, so definitely coffee or chalate.
[22:31] SPEAKER_01: I've been trying to switch it up and get away from less good food.
[22:34] SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
[22:35] SPEAKER_01: Well, chalate still has caffeine, but like,
[22:38] SPEAKER_01: like,
[22:38] SPEAKER_01: the most of the other.
[22:40] SPEAKER_01: And then I bring my kids to school or daker.
[22:44] SPEAKER_01: And then I always go to,
[22:47] SPEAKER_01: to yoga,
[22:49] SPEAKER_01: usually yoga or some kind of class at the gym.
[22:52] SPEAKER_01: And that just helps me get like mentally prepared for, for the day.
[22:55] SPEAKER_01: So that would be like the three non-negotiable things in my morning routine, for sure.
[23:02] SPEAKER_00: That's great.
[23:02] SPEAKER_01: You can really listen to some kind of music in the morning as well.
[23:06] SPEAKER_00: Number eight,
[23:07] SPEAKER_00: there's a small tropical island in the middle of the ocean or in the middle of the lake.
[23:13] SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
[23:13] SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
[23:13] SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
[23:14] Speaker UNKNOWN: 
[23:14] SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
[23:14] SPEAKER_00: Okay.
[23:17] SPEAKER_00: With only one phone booth and no internet.
[23:20] SPEAKER_00: We drop you off there with no technology at all.
[23:23] SPEAKER_00: And anytime you can use the phone booth on the island to call the boat to come to pick you up.
[23:28] SPEAKER_00: How long do you think you would last before making a phone call?
[23:33] SPEAKER_00: I last, and what would you do until then?
[23:36] SPEAKER_00: Almost.
[23:37] SPEAKER_01: I would last about three days.
[23:38] SPEAKER_01: I would go get all the food.
[23:40] SPEAKER_01: It's fine.
[23:41] SPEAKER_01: It's not very long, but I,
[23:44] SPEAKER_01: I would not call anybody.
[23:46] SPEAKER_01: I wouldn't have my family with me.
[23:48] SPEAKER_01: I would just want to like kind of decompress and clear my head for three days.
[23:53] SPEAKER_01: And chill out on the beach.
[23:55] SPEAKER_01: I am kind of a beach bum.
[23:57] SPEAKER_01: And then I would like get some coconuts and just try to find some fish.
[24:03] SPEAKER_01: And then I would definitely make a phone call and come back to my family.
[24:07] SPEAKER_00: Okay, that's great.
[24:07] SPEAKER_00: Three days.
[24:09] SPEAKER_00: All right.
[24:10] SPEAKER_00: So,
[24:11] SPEAKER_00: Leslie,
[24:12] SPEAKER_00: thank you for this awesome interview.
[24:14] SPEAKER_00: Can you let our listeners know where to find you?
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[24:46] SPEAKER_00: Perfect.
[24:47] SPEAKER_00: No excuse not to listen.
[24:54] SPEAKER_00: Thank you.
[24:56] SPEAKER_00: Leslie, it was great.
[24:57] SPEAKER_00: Great pleasure having you.
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[25:09] SPEAKER_00: Thanks so much, Leslie.
[25:11] SPEAKER_00: You're welcome.
[25:11] SPEAKER_00: Thank you.
[25:12] SPEAKER_00: Thank you.