Former Olympian Jamie Salé on Dealing with COVID-19, and the Connection Between Sports & Business

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[00:00] SPEAKER_01: It's Edmonton's podcast on the Canada's podcast network.
[00:05] SPEAKER_00: Hello, this is Mario Toneguzi coming to you today with Edmonton's podcast, a member
[00:10] SPEAKER_00: of Canada's podcast network, where we talk to the entrepreneurs who are making it happen
[00:15] SPEAKER_00: here in Edmonton, Alberta, so you can listen, discover and engage.
[00:21] SPEAKER_00: Today's guest is Jamie Saleh, who is motivational coach and speaker in Edmonton and a former
[00:28] SPEAKER_00: world champion and Olympic gold medalist in figure skating.
[00:32] SPEAKER_00: Thanks for joining us today, Jamie.
[00:33] SPEAKER_01: Thanks, Mario.
[00:35] SPEAKER_00: Happy to be here.
[00:36] SPEAKER_00: Okay, let's start, Jamie, just telling us a little bit about yourself after figure skating,
[00:41] SPEAKER_00: basically what you're doing these days in terms of work and being an entrepreneur.
[00:48] SPEAKER_01: That's a great question.
[00:49] SPEAKER_01: So I retired.
[00:50] SPEAKER_01: It'll be eight years ago this June and I spent about three years being a stay at home
[00:56] SPEAKER_01: mom.
[00:56] SPEAKER_01: That was also a dream of mine to be able to provide for the family and stay home and take
[01:01] SPEAKER_01: care of the kids and obviously build a home.
[01:04] SPEAKER_01: And then I started waking up feeling like there's something more for me.
[01:08] SPEAKER_01: There's something kind of really itching to be expressed and I reached out for some
[01:15] SPEAKER_01: support and help because I didn't understand really what that would be.
[01:19] SPEAKER_01: And soon after I started working on my vision again because my whole life I had designed
[01:25] SPEAKER_01: my dream of becoming an Olympic gold medalist or Olympic skater.
[01:29] SPEAKER_01: And so I realized that I was kind of living my life by default at that point, just sort
[01:33] SPEAKER_01: of going through the motions and drifting around as much as I was living my dream at that
[01:37] SPEAKER_01: time as well.
[01:39] SPEAKER_01: There was still something that I wasn't serving and that was my purpose, my greater purpose
[01:43] SPEAKER_01: and my why.
[01:44] SPEAKER_01: And so I wrote down help people in my vision and I still didn't understand what that meant
[01:48] SPEAKER_01: on a bigger scale.
[01:50] SPEAKER_01: And then I saw somebody speaking on a stage one day and it just hit me like fireworks
[01:54] SPEAKER_01: and I went, well that's exactly what I want to do.
[01:57] SPEAKER_01: I enjoy public speaking, I enjoy connecting with people and since I'm a little girl I've
[02:01] SPEAKER_01: always loved helping people and it would just be even, you know, if they were struggling
[02:05] SPEAKER_01: in skating or they were struggling with something at home, I was always, you know, happy to
[02:12] SPEAKER_01: go and sit with those people and talk to them.
[02:15] SPEAKER_01: And I was never told to do this, I just always felt the need to do it.
[02:19] SPEAKER_01: And so this really hit me hard.
[02:21] SPEAKER_01: And so I went, kind of taken off from doing some executive coaching with, I'm a partner
[02:27] SPEAKER_01: with Invision Group International Out of Calgary and working with individuals and helping them
[02:33] SPEAKER_01: live a life that they would love and creating a vision.
[02:36] SPEAKER_01: That's one thing that I've really seen with people that they're not entirely understanding
[02:43] SPEAKER_01: of the importance of a vision.
[02:45] SPEAKER_01: And it doesn't mean you have to be an Olympic gold medalist, but what would you love in
[02:49] SPEAKER_01: your life?
[02:49] SPEAKER_01: Is the question that I ask everybody?
[02:52] SPEAKER_00: Tell me Jamie, when you look at, I guess, setting up a business and being an entrepreneur
[02:58] SPEAKER_00: in Edmonton, what are the advantages of being an entrepreneur right now in Edmonton?
[03:05] SPEAKER_01: Well, I think right now for me the advantages is my mindset and that I'm using this opportunity
[03:12] SPEAKER_01: or this time to create opportunities.
[03:15] SPEAKER_01: And I see this as a really great time to tap into my creativeness and I'm constantly asking
[03:21] SPEAKER_01: myself, you know, thinking outside the box, what can I do with this situation to make
[03:25] SPEAKER_01: myself a better coach?
[03:27] SPEAKER_01: I have great tools that I've learned through, my skating career that got me to the level
[03:31] SPEAKER_01: and the success that I've had.
[03:33] SPEAKER_01: But, you know, being able to transfer that into life now and helping other people live
[03:38] SPEAKER_01: that dream, I think, is really powerful.
[03:40] SPEAKER_01: So, what can I do today?
[03:42] SPEAKER_01: And so, I've really learned to tap into things that are forcing me to step outside my comfort
[03:47] SPEAKER_01: zone right now because I'm not used to this Zoom calls and making these videos as much
[03:52] SPEAKER_01: as I have been.
[03:54] SPEAKER_01: So, for me, it's just really, I know that's kind of not maybe the answer you're expecting,
[03:59] SPEAKER_01: but I feel like nobody really has an advantage economically right now.
[04:04] SPEAKER_01: I would say, but it's really mindset and not pitching a tent in the condition and saying,
[04:09] SPEAKER_01: hey, there's going to be some great stuff that comes out of this and I'm going to choose
[04:12] SPEAKER_01: to find the good in this.
[04:14] SPEAKER_00: What's your vision for your business as you look forward and into the future?
[04:21] SPEAKER_01: You want to know what my big vision is?
[04:23] SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
[04:24] SPEAKER_01: So, in my vision that I've written down, I am speaking internationally on stages.
[04:30] SPEAKER_01: So across the world, and inspiring or empowering people, whether it's corporate or it's individual,
[04:36] SPEAKER_01: it's always been a dream for mine too, as I said at the beginning to help people.
[04:41] SPEAKER_01: So, I really want to help people on a bigger scale and I feel that being able to share my
[04:45] SPEAKER_01: Olympic journey with people in my life journey, I've got so many other situations or circumstances
[04:51] SPEAKER_01: in my life that created what people call a we call failure in my life and how do I overcome that?
[04:58] SPEAKER_01: And most people don't understand that just because people are successful doesn't mean they don't
[05:03] SPEAKER_01: have fear and they don't have failure.
[05:05] SPEAKER_01: So, my thing is to be able to take that on a grander scale and really help people understand
[05:10] SPEAKER_01: that fear and failure are just prerequisites for achieving great dreams.
[05:14] SPEAKER_00: Now, what has been, I guess, the greatest challenge you've faced in being an entrepreneur?
[05:21] SPEAKER_01: Fear. Honestly, my biggest challenge even today is just fear. Fear is constantly talking to me.
[05:31] SPEAKER_01: And I literally hear, I literally, like, it's like I hear this little devil sitting on my shoulder
[05:35] SPEAKER_01: going, why would anybody like that, Jamie? If you put that out, nobody's going to even like it,
[05:41] SPEAKER_01: or they're not going to resonate with that, or you're not good enough. I hear all kinds of voices
[05:45] SPEAKER_01: right now and I'm creating content or I'm putting stuff out there. So, my biggest challenge is to
[05:51] SPEAKER_01: know that that fear is just there to tell me that I'm on my growing edge and that I'm doing the
[05:57] SPEAKER_01: right things. So, again, it's just going back to, what did I, how did I overcome it as an athlete?
[06:02] SPEAKER_01: Well, I just said to it, I hear you, but I'm doing this anyway. And so, that's what I'm working
[06:06] SPEAKER_01: through right now. And I've worked through in the beginning and I know I'm going to work through
[06:09] SPEAKER_00: till the day I'm gone. Yeah. So, when you look back over your career in sports, what are the
[06:17] SPEAKER_00: lessons you learned through sports that have been helpful for you as a business person?
[06:23] SPEAKER_01: Well, we talk about them when we do our public speaking engagements and you know, it starts with
[06:29] SPEAKER_01: you know, perseverance, being able to persevere through adversity and the challenging times,
[06:37] SPEAKER_01: because most of the time when I was skating, it was challenging and it was uncomfortable. So,
[06:42] SPEAKER_01: it was learning to persevere through those times that were even more uncomfortable than others.
[06:46] SPEAKER_01: And really being committed, that is one thing that I feel today like a discipline.
[06:52] SPEAKER_01: I had incredible discipline because I will tell you I was passionate about figure skating.
[06:57] SPEAKER_01: So, now I'm passionate about helping people and that's what's really important when you're talking
[07:01] SPEAKER_01: about a career for people. What lights you up, right? Because if you're not loving what you're doing,
[07:05] SPEAKER_01: it's pretty hard to be disciplined, right? They motivated. So, I love what I do, but there are days where,
[07:11] SPEAKER_01: you know, it's easy to sit there and go, well, do it later. We all have those those moments of
[07:15] SPEAKER_01: that thinking coming into our head. So, staying disciplined and focused. And I think it's just
[07:23] SPEAKER_01: really important to know that like, fear is a big one. So, that's why I talk about it a lot.
[07:29] SPEAKER_01: But being able to speak to that is one of the greatest tools that I've learned in my skating career,
[07:34] SPEAKER_01: because I've heard it, I heard it all the time when I was skating. I would hear what I was skating
[07:37] SPEAKER_01: into my jumps or when I was going into a throw. I would have, you know, that little voice in my
[07:42] SPEAKER_01: shoulder going, what if you miss this? And what if you don't win this competition? Oh, I hope,
[07:46] SPEAKER_01: you don't fall. And it's crazy. So, now I just, I've learned how to speak to that and say,
[07:51] SPEAKER_00: it's okay. I'm doing this anyway. When you look back, you know, since you started doing this,
[07:57] SPEAKER_00: what's the best piece of advice you've received on being an entrepreneur?
[08:03] SPEAKER_01: That's actually a really good question. I, you know, I think really being staying authentic to who you
[08:09] SPEAKER_01: are, sometimes I feel like I need to be someone else that I really admire or I look up to you,
[08:15] SPEAKER_01: and I look at what they're putting out or they're doing, and I go, oh, but I'm not them. And so,
[08:19] SPEAKER_01: I'm reminded constantly by my mentors and teachers that Jamie, but you are you and not everybody
[08:26] SPEAKER_01: that is out there that's coaching or giving advice or whatever resonates with everybody. So,
[08:31] SPEAKER_01: everyone's got their gift and their tools. So, really important to stay authentic to who you are
[08:35] SPEAKER_01: and be real. Connect with the people who you want to attract, right? You attract your tribe.
[08:42] SPEAKER_01: And also the most recent one that I've, I felt was really valuable was to pay attention to where you
[08:49] SPEAKER_01: are getting your most connections for on the social media platforms because, you know, there's
[08:55] SPEAKER_01: lots of them now. And I know, I don't think there's, it's a waste to spend more time necessarily on one.
[09:00] SPEAKER_01: It's not a waste, but I've learned that there are certain platforms for me for what I do that are
[09:07] SPEAKER_01: creating the proper connections that I need to help me grow my business. So, that was something I
[09:13] SPEAKER_01: didn't, I wasn't really aware of. I just thought I should be on all of them. And yeah, I just think I
[09:19] SPEAKER_01: need to spend more time on, for example, LinkedIn, where you and I met. Exactly. So, you know,
[09:27] SPEAKER_00: looks sort of talk about today and the challenges that obviously the coronavirus has presented to
[09:36] SPEAKER_00: people. First of all, how has that affected you and what you do? To be honest, it really hasn't
[09:42] SPEAKER_01: affected me very much at all. Again, I think in just my home, we're all quite positive. We're,
[09:48] SPEAKER_01: we love connecting. We love spending the time together. Yeah, we have our moments because we all
[09:53] SPEAKER_01: are missing people and hugging and going out and the kids are missing their activities. But
[09:58] SPEAKER_01: we are enjoying this time together for sure. But I can coach from home and I always have. So,
[10:05] SPEAKER_01: over the phone or like this through Zoom. So, it hasn't changed really anything that way for me.
[10:09] SPEAKER_01: If anything, it's helping me put myself out there even more because people are needing help now
[10:14] SPEAKER_01: more than ever. They're needing support to know how to cope through this, how to navigate. And so,
[10:20] SPEAKER_01: I feel like it's actually really helped me and helped my business. So, what's your, you know, when
[10:26] SPEAKER_00: people, you know, you talked a lot about fear before, obviously lots of fear now. But some advice
[10:33] SPEAKER_00: or guidance you would give entrepreneurs as they navigate these troubled waters that we're going
[10:39] SPEAKER_01: through right now. You know, the most important thing I feel that I wake up with every day is
[10:45] SPEAKER_01: gratitude. And if I was talking to any of my entrepreneurial friends, I would say, you know,
[10:49] SPEAKER_01: what guys, it's, I know that this is challenging and this feels like we don't, we can't see the end
[10:54] SPEAKER_01: of it. There's so many unknowns and uncertainties. But I think the most important thing is to wake
[10:58] SPEAKER_01: up every day and go to bed with gratitude. There is always something to be grateful for always.
[11:04] SPEAKER_01: And there's always somebody who's worse off, right? We know that. And I think really important
[11:10] SPEAKER_01: right now to have faith and we often hear the word hope, I personally prefer the word having faith
[11:16] SPEAKER_01: because hope is a bigger. Having faith is believing that you will get through this stronger than you
[11:23] SPEAKER_01: were before it happened. Yeah. Right? And that's, and that's worked for me because having faith is
[11:30] SPEAKER_01: really about believing in the greater good and believing that there's going to be some good out of
[11:35] SPEAKER_01: this. And I always tell my friends, you know what? You need to write down that you refuse to get the
[11:39] SPEAKER_01: gift from this. What is that gift? We don't know yet, but know that there is a gift and embrace that.
[11:45] SPEAKER_01: And so you can ride this uncomfortable time with grace and dignity and just staying positive.
[11:53] SPEAKER_01: And the most important thing I'm finding right now, Mario, is really people are really consumed
[11:57] SPEAKER_01: with media. Yeah. Right? And not that media is a bad thing. But if you're watching too much and
[12:02] SPEAKER_01: getting too absorbed in the negativity, it really affects your physiology. And so people are starting
[12:07] SPEAKER_01: to show aggression instead of love and coming from empathy and compassion. And we need to be informed,
[12:13] SPEAKER_01: but it's like it's really, I'm seeing that it's affecting people in tremendous ways of
[12:21] SPEAKER_00: changing their demeanors and their attitudes. Yeah. I just curious, you know, obviously as an
[12:29] SPEAKER_00: athlete, you know, you faced a lot of disappointment. Even though you reach the certain pinnacle and
[12:36] SPEAKER_00: and and high, yeah, you're a long way. You know, you had a lot of disappointments, a lot of failures,
[12:41] SPEAKER_00: probably, you know, etc. Can you talk a little bit about what you learn through hardship that gets
[12:48] SPEAKER_00: you to reaching a goal and maybe tie it into what we're talking about right now with COVID?
[12:55] SPEAKER_01: Yeah. I just what I learned was that any kind of failure or disappointment I had in my life,
[13:01] SPEAKER_01: it was really important to find the lesson in it. And I remember always re-evaluating when I would
[13:07] SPEAKER_01: get home from a competition where I didn't skate very well and I would always say, well,
[13:11] SPEAKER_01: what happened? What did I learn from this and how can I grow from that? Right? And it was really
[13:16] SPEAKER_01: important. And I know we talk about that all the time, but that is the key to overcoming that failure.
[13:22] SPEAKER_01: Otherwise, if you sit in that sadness or the anger or the victimization or victimhood as we call it,
[13:29] SPEAKER_01: then you're never going to grow. And I think that's people say to me, Jamie, how how what is the
[13:35] SPEAKER_01: difference between someone like you who's had the success you've had and someone like me,
[13:40] SPEAKER_01: you know, I haven't made it yet. And I said, not quitting. You know, I didn't quit. And I said,
[13:45] SPEAKER_01: I always tell people, I wasn't the most talented figure skater in the world, but I through all my
[13:49] SPEAKER_01: adversity and all the struggles and everything I've been through that wasn't fun or easy. I said,
[13:53] SPEAKER_01: I didn't quit. And so, you know, look inside yourself and say, like, you know, what lights you up and
[14:00] SPEAKER_01: what are you passionate about? And then you stick to it. You make a decision for it. You decide
[14:05] SPEAKER_01: for it every single day when it's not convenient and when it's not comfortable every single day.
[14:10] SPEAKER_01: Same thing with today, if you have a passion or you have goals, don't let this condition get you.
[14:16] SPEAKER_01: You can we're all getting, we're all having this condition, but don't let it have you. So,
[14:20] SPEAKER_01: what can you plan for down the road? And we don't know if it's going to be six months or it's going to
[14:24] SPEAKER_01: be two years from now, but that's okay. Right? Just have have some kind of decision of like where
[14:30] SPEAKER_01: you want to be and where you want to go. Yeah, it's interesting. You say, you say that about the
[14:34] SPEAKER_00: lessons learned in failure, right? Thinking right now, a lot of companies, a lot of business owners are,
[14:40] SPEAKER_00: you know, rather than giving up, they're looking at different ways of doing their businesses, right?
[14:46] SPEAKER_00: And pivoting the common word of today, right? They're pivoting. Yes.
[14:53] SPEAKER_00: So, let me switch gears a little bit here. Jamie asked you a couple personal things. Where do you
[14:58] SPEAKER_00: find and get inspiration from for what you do? Oh, in many different facets. I love obviously,
[15:06] SPEAKER_01: now on the social media platforms, there's so many incredible motivators, teachers and coaches
[15:11] SPEAKER_01: out there. Of course, Brane Brown is one of my favorites. I worked with worked in Tony Robbins'
[15:17] SPEAKER_01: program years ago when I was skating, David and I had to follow along with some of his stuff.
[15:22] SPEAKER_01: And I'm reading a wonderful book right now that everything is figure outable.
[15:28] SPEAKER_01: And I just love it. It's actually an audio book that I'm listening to and she has exercises.
[15:33] SPEAKER_01: Everything is figure outable. It's just fabulous. I don't know. I really enjoyed reading about how
[15:38] SPEAKER_01: our mind works to. I was reading Michael Singer's books, The Untethered Soul, The Four Agreements
[15:43] SPEAKER_01: is another great one. These are places where I just choose to read or listen to things that actually
[15:49] SPEAKER_01: lift me up and give me more, I guess, more layering to my coaching because it's so nice to have
[15:57] SPEAKER_01: all this information. I know what I did to become successful, but it's nice to hear it in a different
[16:02] SPEAKER_01: way sometimes. Yeah. And so listening to all this positive feedback and information, I just
[16:09] SPEAKER_00: I eat it up. I just love it. So tell me what kind of interest do you have that are
[16:16] SPEAKER_01: non-business related? Well, I'm a really social girl. So this is as much as I'm enjoying being at
[16:22] SPEAKER_01: home with my family, it's really important for me to stay connected to my friends. So we're doing
[16:28] SPEAKER_01: face timing. So I know that's not much of a hobby, but I enjoy being with people. But I have really
[16:35] SPEAKER_01: enjoyed cooking more. Like we've always cooked obviously, but I'm I'm really using some recipes
[16:41] SPEAKER_01: that I've pulled out of my my cupboard in my books. And it's actually been a lot of fun in
[16:47] SPEAKER_01: cooking with the kids and taking up a little bit of music. My son's doing guitar, playing guitar,
[16:52] SPEAKER_01: and my daughter is learning piano. So sitting with them and enjoying that process is also really fun.
[16:59] SPEAKER_00: Okay. So you live a obviously a very busy lifestyle with family and work. How do you find the sort of
[17:07] SPEAKER_00: not to use a phrase that's often overused, but that work like balance? How do you find that?
[17:12] SPEAKER_01: Well, you know, why it's all up for me? It's both scheduling and making sure that my family
[17:17] SPEAKER_01: understands that this is when I'm working and this is when you've got me 100%. And it's really
[17:22] SPEAKER_01: important that when you're not working that you are really present with the kids because
[17:26] SPEAKER_01: these things can be part of our lives a little bit too much. And I've noticed that even for myself,
[17:32] SPEAKER_01: you know, always checking messages, our world, one thing I'm learning right now is like, yes,
[17:38] SPEAKER_01: we have all these platforms to connect like this, like we you and I are right now, but
[17:42] SPEAKER_01: there's almost too much out there now where people are getting a little bit lost
[17:47] SPEAKER_01: in our phones and computers. And we got to write back everybody right now. We need
[17:51] SPEAKER_01: that sort of like five minutes ago. And you know, it was so much simpler when I was a little girl.
[17:56] SPEAKER_01: Everything was closed on Sunday. We didn't have cell phones. And yes, and it's wonderful to be able
[18:00] SPEAKER_01: to connect and have information quicker. But there's also something today that we're experiencing
[18:06] SPEAKER_01: and that it's important that we're not doing that as much right now. So what I'm finding today
[18:11] SPEAKER_01: actually is people are making phone calls instead of texting. People are connecting through Zoom
[18:16] SPEAKER_01: or other platforms to actually see faces. For me personally, I and seeing the community all
[18:22] SPEAKER_01: supporting each other like I feel like this is really powerful. And I love that. Getting back
[18:28] SPEAKER_00: to the basics. Yeah. Okay. If you had to pick one word to describe yourself, what would it be in
[18:36] SPEAKER_01: why? playful. I don't know. I would say that I just always like to be happy and positive. And
[18:47] SPEAKER_01: I just enjoy laughter. And I don't take myself too seriously. I just have kind of a child like
[18:56] SPEAKER_00: personality. It's good to have. Now you obviously through your career traveled quite extensively.
[19:06] SPEAKER_00: In all your travels, did you have a favorite place that you went in? So whether you were competing or
[19:12] SPEAKER_01: whether after you finished competing, anywhere you've been. Okay. So I've been the Japan 13 times.
[19:19] SPEAKER_01: And I know I love Japan. Love, love, love, culture, food, everything about it. But I would say at
[19:27] SPEAKER_01: post skating, I really enjoyed Italy. And I was just into my family last night and we were saying how
[19:33] SPEAKER_01: we would love to spend two weeks traveling and go to Italy and maybe even France because my son
[19:40] SPEAKER_01: has, you know, his dad is background is French. So it'd be really cool to go there. Kids are in
[19:46] SPEAKER_01: some sort of a French immersion so they could they could get around very easily and help mom and dad.
[19:50] SPEAKER_01: But yeah, I love the culture tune in it. And we found it very just just beautiful and
[19:57] SPEAKER_00: hoping one day to get back there. Oh, well, that's great. That's good. Now speaking of travel,
[20:03] SPEAKER_00: I'm going to present a scenario to you. There's a small beautiful tropical island in the middle of the
[20:09] SPEAKER_00: ocean with only one foam booth and no other technology there. We're going to drop you off
[20:15] SPEAKER_00: there by yourself. Okay. And anytime you can use the phone to call a boat and we'll come pick you up.
[20:23] SPEAKER_00: Two questions. One, how long would it take you to think before making that phone call? And
[20:29] SPEAKER_01: secondly, what would you do while you were there? Oh, I would probably make the phone call within
[20:36] SPEAKER_01: 10 minutes. And is this the phone call is to call a boat to come get me? Yeah, you bet.
[20:45] SPEAKER_01: Oh, okay. I was thinking of calling a friend just to tell them what's happening. I would probably
[20:51] SPEAKER_01: really embrace the moment and I would take in my surroundings. I think I would probably as soon
[20:59] SPEAKER_01: as the sun was starting to set, I would be like, come for me now. I don't think it's alone. I mean,
[21:06] SPEAKER_01: I'm okay being alone, but I don't want to be alone on a beach at night. Yeah, I hear you. Okay,
[21:11] SPEAKER_00: super. Is that everybody's got their own answers? Like some people, it's just amazing. Actually,
[21:17] SPEAKER_00: some people can stay for weeks or want to stay for weeks. So I guess it's all in their
[21:23] SPEAKER_00: personality life, right? Yeah. Okay. Then. So is there anything Jamie, you'd like to add before
[21:29] SPEAKER_01: leaving us today? I guess I just want to say to people that I, you know, I understand that this
[21:35] SPEAKER_01: is a really difficult time and it's uncomfortable and we're, you know, we're all in this together,
[21:41] SPEAKER_01: as we've been seeing all over the social media, all over social media. And this is true. And we're
[21:47] SPEAKER_01: a really strong country. I'm really proud to be Canadian. I'm proud to be a part of this community of,
[21:54] SPEAKER_01: you know, there's a lot of people that we can tap into who are supportive and staying positive.
[21:59] SPEAKER_01: So I think that's the most important thing right now is surround yourself with people who are
[22:02] SPEAKER_01: positive and who are going to lift you up. And again, just have faith that we are going to get
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