Andrew Gordon Discusses the Cannabis Industry and His Retail Cannabis Chain Kiaro

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[00:00] SPEAKER_00: It's VanCouver's podcast on the Canada's podcast network.
[00:06] SPEAKER_02: Hello everyone, I'm Angela Faye, Hub Builder and Co-host of British Columbia's Podcasts.
[00:13] SPEAKER_02: Part of the Canada's podcast network, your source for great insights from entrepreneurs
[00:18] SPEAKER_02: from across Canada.
[00:19] SPEAKER_02: We talked entrepreneurs who are making it happen here so you can listen, discover and engage.
[00:25] SPEAKER_01: I am super excited to have Andrew with me today.
[00:29] SPEAKER_01: Andrew Gordon is a shale holder of a company called Chiaro.
[00:33] SPEAKER_01: It's a cannabis retail brand and it derives from the Italian word and I'm totally going to get this wrong address.
[00:39] SPEAKER_01: You can correct me, but...
[00:41] SPEAKER_01: Curl.
[00:42] SPEAKER_03: Curious, curl.
[00:44] SPEAKER_01: Curious, curl.
[00:45] SPEAKER_01: I love it.
[00:45] SPEAKER_01: Which is, the Italian meaning is to emerge from darkness into the light.
[00:49] SPEAKER_01: He's currently serving as Senior Vice President of Retail Operations in Community and he specializes in organizational development,
[00:58] SPEAKER_01: Public Affairs, Community Partnership and Industry Performance.
[01:02] SPEAKER_01: He's got a degree in Political Science which would probably be a handy thing to happen in this sector right now.
[01:08] SPEAKER_01: Also a graduate of BCIT, so British Columbia Institute of Technology's non-profit management program.
[01:13] SPEAKER_01: Andrew has successfully led the community Chiaro integration efforts for a number of private retailers across Canada,
[01:21] SPEAKER_01: worked with a diverse array of patients, consumers and regulators to build accountable community responsible and, sorry, community responsive and financially sustainable cannabis retail models.
[01:35] SPEAKER_01: Pretty interesting right now.
[01:36] SPEAKER_01: I'll go, of course, galvanized by the prospects of cannabis legalization in Canada.
[01:41] SPEAKER_01: Andrew is personally passionate about working with community stakeholders across the country to help reduce social stigma and a bait to pharmaceutical drug dependence within communities, which, wow, that is a love working with you, Andrew, it's going to be a lot of fun.
[01:58] SPEAKER_01: Can you give us a tiny little sound bite of your entrepreneurial journey other than what I've just read on how we got to today at Chiaro.
[02:08] SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I mean, you know, at the heart of it, I myself am a passionate cannabis patient and consumer.
[02:14] SPEAKER_03: I used cannabis back in university to move away from a pretty debilitating pharmaceutical drug regimen.
[02:22] SPEAKER_03: Cannabis proved to be a very natural and benign and beneficial offering to help treat my symptom profile for PTSD.
[02:30] SPEAKER_03: So for me, it comes from a place of personal passion and, you know, looking at the entrepreneurial journey into cannabis, I mean, I did almost a decade of work in the nonprofit sector,
[02:40] SPEAKER_03: and I was working here raising money for hospital foundations and international medical missions and really working for, you know, community focused causes of merit that really made a meaningful difference in people's lives and improved, improved health and wellness in my community.
[02:55] SPEAKER_03: And I set myself a mission statement coming out of university or actually while I was in university, it's really just focused on creating value and improving health and wellness in my community.
[03:03] SPEAKER_03: And so I started in the nonprofit sector. A lot of the early retailers in the space were serving the community under the nonprofit model.
[03:12] SPEAKER_03: So I came on board really to help with the government structure with an organization that was going through the municipal licensing process here in Vancouver.
[03:19] SPEAKER_03: And I really just fell in love with what dispensaries and what access for consumers meant.
[03:26] SPEAKER_03: I really wanted to work to destigmatize what it was to be a cannabis consumer and really to build, you know, a sustainable enterprise in that space.
[03:35] SPEAKER_03: And, you know, there was a sentiment of feeling in the air that, you know, legalization was upon us and that, you know, you know, this is going to be a real thing.
[03:42] SPEAKER_03: And it was just a matter of, you know, bringing professionals to the table to really deliver that in an effective and efficient way.
[03:49] SPEAKER_03: So, you know, my entrepreneurial journey really is, you know, I'm a patient, I'm a consumer, and I'm a Rebellot heart.
[03:56] SPEAKER_03: You know, for me, this is a great social justice cause as well.
[04:00] SPEAKER_03: I find, you know, the prohibition of cannabis is one of those great social wrongs that I had a chance to participate in making right.
[04:06] SPEAKER_03: And I'm proud to say that I played, you know, a small part in the development of that process here in Canada.
[04:12] SPEAKER_03: So, for me, that's really what it's about is it's just personal passion and just being a Rebellot heart and pushing for positive purposeful change in the community.
[04:21] SPEAKER_01: That's right. There's lots of questions for me, but I have a curiosity.
[04:25] SPEAKER_01: Prohibition and stigma used together, I think is probably part of the problem.
[04:31] SPEAKER_01: But what is the stigma that we need to overcome?
[04:34] SPEAKER_03: Well, it's really that kind of blanket perspective on, you know, who a cannabis consumer is and what they represent and what they do with their lives.
[04:43] SPEAKER_03: And really, you know, looking at the history of prohibition in Canada when you start to delve into that, you see a lot of kind of arbitrary one way, one dimensional decision making in terms of, you know, really allowing, you know, a plant to have an opportunity on the commercial social and political spectrum to have a chance to do that.
[05:05] SPEAKER_03: And you know, the history aside, you know, stigma is really about, you know, meeting head on and incredible and consider it way, the ignorance in difference in inertia that we face as people who are passionate about the plans, about the movement and about access for consumers or patients alike.
[05:24] SPEAKER_03: And so just really being a great brand representative yourself and making sure that, you know, despite the fact that you consume cannabis, you know, this guy doesn't fall and that you can be a great husband, a great dad, a great business person.
[05:39] SPEAKER_03: You know, I've been, I'm proud to say I've been married 12 years. I have a beautiful five year old boy. I'm a shareholder and a significant contributor to the company, Kiaro in a senior management role.
[05:51] SPEAKER_03: And so I'm proud to represent that interest and I really look to work with others that want to do the same and help others who are struggling rise up and really raise the profile of conversation and opportunity in the community.
[06:05] SPEAKER_03: And so, you know, the stigma we face is, you know, there were the rest owners that we are, you know, again, non aspirational, incompetent, you know, those types of things.
[06:16] SPEAKER_03: And when you start reading and learning about, you know, your endocannabinoid system and the power this has through the modulate home meal states in your body and just like if you have an iron deficiency or invited in C deficiency, you know, you introduce a supplement to get up to a point of equilibrium and home meal basis.
[06:31] SPEAKER_03: And that's the exact thing that's happening here with cannabis. It's just the responsible use of that. And that is, you know, accessing that incredible as credible sources as possible, making sure that that product is analytically tested in quality assured as much as you can.
[06:45] SPEAKER_03: And then as a consumer early on that was difficult. Now it's great. That's one of the great promises of legalization was to be able to deliver value to consumers and communities in that regard.
[06:54] SPEAKER_03: And so you just, you know, you work hard with people around you to create positive change and to represent cannabis consumers well.
[07:02] SPEAKER_03: You know, we're not here to blow smoke in people's face. We're here to have productive positive conversations with regulators and community stakeholders.
[07:10] SPEAKER_03: And I'm proud to see we're at the vanguard of that movement and it's creating waves and it's disrupting again that ignorance in difference in inertia that we're seeing around what cannabis means, you know, commercially, politically and socially.
[07:23] SPEAKER_01: Well, and if I could just throw a comment in there that, you know, I have not historically been a consumer, but I for the last 18 months, I've been doing research in anticipation of legalization in Canada, find a little bit of more research for myself about the business and it's big business.
[07:42] SPEAKER_01: So, you know, even though we've come from an era of prohibition, I mean that from the medical use and or the multi generational growers in Canada, you know, BC Bud is world renowned, right.
[07:57] SPEAKER_01: So, you know, I think we have so many assets to build on here in Canada. I'm a little bit curious what your perspective is on, you know, legalization.
[08:07] SPEAKER_01: Is it a step in the right direction? Is it sort of crunched everything to a standstill? I mean, really, what is the impact that it's that it's happening having on small business or big business in Canada?
[08:19] SPEAKER_03: Yeah, great question. I mean, you know, legalization is a process. It's not an endpoint. Really the work began October 17th of 2018.
[08:29] SPEAKER_03: You know, a lot of people in the industry that were from the legacy market really felt that was a great consummation point of all of their efforts and that it would be green past years and feel that how much everyone felt that way.
[08:40] SPEAKER_03: But, you know, I felt a sense of that kind of collective accomplishment and then that kind of angst around what's next and how do we realize this opportunity and maximize the yield for everybody.
[08:51] SPEAKER_03: And, you know, with respect to just keep the scope tight here to small business. I mean, this is tremendous growth. I mean, under our feet right now in this province, you know, there's a $5 to $7 billion in this province in small production, processing and distribution.
[09:08] SPEAKER_03: And that's on the elicit side and we have, you know, the opportunity through, you know, reducing the barriers to entry and modifications to regulation to allow that industry to come into the light to flourish.
[09:19] SPEAKER_03: And to really create jobs, have economic impact, drive economic diversification and revenue through taxes and the trickle down of really, you know, having a whole new industry blossom amongst other businesses in the communities that I traveled to down south in Colorado or Nevada or California.
[09:37] SPEAKER_03: Sure, I see some great thriving cannabis businesses, but I also see a lot of thriving businesses around those cannabis businesses. You have a lot of young entrepreneurial spirit and energy in the air.
[09:49] SPEAKER_03: You know, and again, the pick and shovel businesses around cannabis those are the failureary services represent, you know, three, four times the economic impact value for Canadian.
[09:58] SPEAKER_03: So it's definitely, you know, if it resonates beyond just the balance of cannabis and cannabis consumers to really affect all industries. I mean, you're looking at, you know, security, you're looking at legal accounting, IT.
[10:12] SPEAKER_03: And then within that, all of the amazing innovation that's going to happen as a result of the touch points with cannabis that really have yet to become sophisticated in their own right.
[10:22] SPEAKER_03: So we got a long way to go. We're still three to five years from really realizing the initial aspirations and then building an industry on top of that.
[10:30] SPEAKER_03: So a lot of stigma still at the regulatory level that we're dealing with in terms of advertising promotion. So as a small business, you definitely feel a little bit restricted, but to have the opportunity to come on to the light and really, you know, begin to express yourself in a way that is positive and purposeful and shows that to the community by creating job, driving economic diversification.
[10:51] SPEAKER_03: And creating tax revenue is all positive gain that gain for everyone.
[10:56] SPEAKER_01: Well, let me just ask you touched on innovation as as coming out of this process so far.
[11:03] SPEAKER_01: What are you most excited about that you can foresee that down the track that maybe other people on the periphery, you know, wouldn't be able to see for themselves? What does Andrew see?
[11:13] SPEAKER_03: Well, I mean, you know, I really look at the emergence of 2.0 products, some drinks, beverages, animals, non combustibles in particular as having tremendous influence and impact moving forward for the next three to five years.
[11:26] SPEAKER_03: It's not only in just in terms of the revenues are going to drive for the existing businesses in the cannabis space and then some auxiliary bit and delivery businesses that will emerge consumption sites, hybrid licensing, work cafes and theaters and things like that may be able to offer these types of non combustible and puse products.
[11:42] SPEAKER_03: But the innovation and technology around that and then to take a step further, the research and development will take a step either behind or further because it usually happens before or after.
[11:52] SPEAKER_03: But the research and development, I mean, Canada is going to lead the world on this front with the first, you know, GA nation to embrace cannabis legalization and really realize the opportunity and a federally legal way, which really has roundifications all the way down, you know, right down to the municipal level in terms of business and social gains.
[12:11] SPEAKER_03: And impacts so, you know, I'm excited for the research and development. I'm excited for these 2.0 products to really begin to compile and convert and cajole consumers into into the regulated space and allow, you know, cannabis to really, you know, come to its to cement into its full potential.
[12:28] SPEAKER_03: You know, again, having that full repertoire of products we have offered as a retailer to be able to improve public health and safety by offering quality assured, analyst, we tested products to be able to erode the presence of the elisted marketing communities and keep it out of the hands of young people.
[12:44] SPEAKER_03: You know, those are goals that we look to meet every single day in our retail environments and, you know, we operate in multiple provinces in Saskatchewan and here in British Columbia.
[12:52] SPEAKER_03: And really, we really proud to represent those interests and to create that value opportunity with the community.
[12:58] SPEAKER_01: So specifically, where are you operating?
[13:02] SPEAKER_03: Great question. So we are live and operational in Vancouver. We have a beautiful flagship store at Kingsway at night in East Vancouver.
[13:10] SPEAKER_03: We have another location opening in Vancouver shortly in the spring, but currently open operational. We're in Vancouver. We're in Victoria.
[13:16] SPEAKER_03: We just opened there in January. Very excited to be a part of that community. I went to school at UVic and I'm truly where my love for cannabis was born and where I really, you know, turned away from, you know, pharmaceuticals towards cannabis to really treat my needs for PTSD and really learn about the community of growers and people who contributed to this industry.
[13:38] SPEAKER_03: So that's wonderful. So thank you for Victoria. Then we're operational in port Moody here.
[13:44] SPEAKER_03: March 20th. So that's exciting to be in that community. The community there was extremely fiscidious in terms of who they welcomed in and we were proud to be one of two operators that they did.
[13:53] SPEAKER_03: And then we are also open and operational in Saskatchewan. So we have a store in Pasquitume, one of my favorite cities in the world.
[14:00] SPEAKER_03: And then we're also in LaRange, which is about three and a half hours north as you enter the Boreal Forest and region in in Saskatchewan there. Absolutely gorgeous.
[14:11] SPEAKER_03: You're driving up there. It's like a Windows 98 green saver with just rolling hills and clouds and blue sky. It's gorgeous.
[14:17] SPEAKER_03: We also operate a wholesale business out there as well. So really meeting the needs of the majority of retail retailers in that in that province.
[14:24] SPEAKER_03: So it's exciting to be up in operational in Canada and creating value for consumers.
[14:28] SPEAKER_01: And what's your does the sort of open for business culture of a municipality have an impact on on your growth plan?
[14:38] SPEAKER_03: Oh, absolutely. I mean, you know, you look at even licensing fees. I mean, they vary drastically across the various municipal centers that we operate in in Vancouver.
[14:46] SPEAKER_03: For instance, we're dealing with like a $33,000 license per year in Victoria. It's substantially less, but it's still I think it's around the neighborhood of 5,000 in Saskatchewan.
[14:57] SPEAKER_03: The first year was 20,000 and then renewal fees only $85. So we saw some progress there as a result of some active lobbying that really informed the regulators.
[15:06] SPEAKER_03: They welcomed us in for that feedback to so I really compliment the city of South concrete in that regard.
[15:11] SPEAKER_03: And then in the garage, we worked diligently right from the outset where the bylaws were formed really painting the picture of what the reality of a regulated environment in tailed and showed this was a business just like any other.
[15:21] SPEAKER_03: And so we were able to establish a license to be in the range of only $100. And they really saw business proponents first and not allowing the stigma to sway their opinion on the opportunity to take advantage of a cannabis operator.
[15:35] SPEAKER_03: And I have to say that municipalities that have high business fees are trying to take advantage, but they're definitely I think not quite understanding that, you know, the enforcement and the kind of the fear of agreeing that a lot of people have around cannabis businesses in their community.
[15:49] SPEAKER_03: It's completely unfounded. We created tremendous amount of value in terms of keeping it out of the hands of young people are voting the presence of the elicit market and protecting public health and safety.
[15:59] SPEAKER_03: And we actually see in the stats that are released subsequent legalization, you know, impairment driving driving related impairment has an increase and actually use access and interest in cannabis, particularly in the age of your 15 to 17 has decreased 10% prior legalization.
[16:14] SPEAKER_03: So those are all really encouraging figures and again allow us to exchange a tremendous amount of positive conversation or currency with regulators and community stakeholders.
[16:24] SPEAKER_01: Absolutely. So what piece of advice could you give or what would you love to share either that kind of high level Canada's open for business in the in the sector or even at a grassroots level.
[16:36] SPEAKER_01: What are the two messages that you love to share with a big audience?
[16:39] SPEAKER_03: Yeah, two messages. Wow. Well, the first I think and the biggest lesson I've learned in the last year would be learning the wisdom of being patient during times of inactivity.
[16:51] SPEAKER_03: I really look at the development of regulations as, you know, it can really feel painful a lot of the time to endure, you know, the limitations around advertising promotion to be restricted in your operating hours and practices as compared to other intoxicating substances like alcohol.
[17:09] SPEAKER_03: Or cigarettes. But you know, again, learning the wisdom of being patient during that process and staying positive and purposeful and looking to be collaborative rather than competitive.
[17:19] SPEAKER_03: And then the other thing I would say is really it's better to be kind than it is to be right. And that particularly is effective with regulators and with community stakeholders because despite the level of ignorance and indifference in inertia that you'll endure as someone in the cannabis space or even a consumer yourself.
[17:35] SPEAKER_03: You know, blowing smoke or or you know, spitting facts or stats and people doesn't, doesn't win anybody over. They only remember really how you make them feel.
[17:44] SPEAKER_03: And so if you can be kind and considerate and circumspecting your approach to their feelings and the history and legacy of prohibition, you're going to win a lot more people over in terms of really bringing them on board with the value that the regulated environment creates.
[17:59] SPEAKER_03: So really again, just to recap really appreciating the wisdom of being patient during times of inactivity and then it's better to be kind than it is to be right.
[18:09] SPEAKER_03: So I learned so far.
[18:12] SPEAKER_01: There's, you know, I see a lot of momentum as far as resources and mediums and conferences and things. If you could pick two, you know, must read or absorb events or conferences, like I said, are mediums that somebody in the business of cannabis.
[18:28] SPEAKER_01: Should nobody there a periphery business or, you know, somebody directly involved. What, what would those be? Where do you, where will you definitely show up?
[18:37] SPEAKER_03: Well, I think the list lifting coexpo is a mock like I that for me that Christmas, I get my entire industry family together. We are organizing events and after parties and engagements and meetings looking to build the capacity of the industry.
[18:53] SPEAKER_03: There's a ton of media that comes around that as well that are looking to get informed and inspired around what what cannabis is doing. So lifting coexpo that happens here, generally in Vancouver in January, I believe, and in May in Toronto.
[19:06] SPEAKER_03: Those are the two main epicenters for it. Not absolutely tremendous event recommended every year. And we're seeing tremendous evolution in terms of the types of stakeholders that are engaged with that.
[19:16] SPEAKER_03: And then, you know, in terms of publications, I mean, there's so many out there. It really just kind of, you know, what, what message are you looking to access? I mean, honestly, I would say go into your local retailer.
[19:27] SPEAKER_03: Whatever that is, you're right. You're a local regulated reach. They're often the hub of exchange that will bring together and curate a lot of that understanding for you.
[19:34] SPEAKER_03: So, you know, obviously get out to the conference if you can. That's kind of the macro. But then take time to really visit your local retailer.
[19:41] SPEAKER_03: Ask questions. These are some of the most passionate people you'll ever meet in your life, particularly the private retailers.
[19:46] SPEAKER_03: You know, they've sacrificed so much endured so much spent so much and still endure a tremendous amount of stigma as they progress.
[19:55] SPEAKER_03: And to go in there and just really ask questions and be engaged. You know, there's so much to pull from there.
[20:02] SPEAKER_03: I know, you know, Ben Minor on serious XM has a great show that's emerging into Canada space as well.
[20:08] SPEAKER_03: I know there's a great piece inside the jar that's coming along, Botanic Magazine.
[20:14] SPEAKER_03: There's a lot of a lot of great resources out there to access. But, you know, the hub of exchange for at all is really a local private retailer.
[20:22] SPEAKER_03: So I always encourage people, you know, even if you're not a Canada consumer yourself, you know, get informed and empowered with the right information.
[20:28] SPEAKER_03: And meet people who are actually involved in the industry, not just people who talk about people who are involved in the industry.
[20:35] SPEAKER_03: Go and meet a private retailer. These are self-reliar people who care about their community. They invest in their community. They're involved in their community.
[20:42] SPEAKER_03: And they care about the people they hire. They care about the people that they curate their product equipment for.
[20:47] SPEAKER_03: They have amazing relationships that their suppliers, that they can bring a lot of insight and value to the table for you as a consumer or someone who they have someone in your life that it's a consumer.
[20:55] SPEAKER_03: So that would be my piece of advice. Really go check on left and then go check out a local retailer.
[21:00] SPEAKER_01: Well, I will for sure go into a Kira store just to check it out because if we meet some salt of the earth's like Andrew Gordon, it's going to be fantastic.
[21:09] SPEAKER_01: And yeah, I am mindful of time. I know it was tough to catch her attention in between open top public retail stores.
[21:17] SPEAKER_01: So I'm pretty excited to give me. Yes, should you know, and that's totally fine. I appreciate it. I'm happy to come back on again.
[21:23] SPEAKER_01: Well, and we will. I know we'll do some follow up stuff, but my question to you, and how can we follow up with you post podcast?
[21:30] SPEAKER_03: We can definitely reach out to me via email. It's just Andrew at Kiro.com. My social media tags, ATG van city on Twitter and on Instagram.
[21:40] SPEAKER_03: At my Kiro is there companies Instagram. So I definitely encourage you to check us out there. And we're always in the media. So just Google search.
[21:48] SPEAKER_03: There's tons of great content there. We really try and put out positive purposeful messaging and really shape the conversation in the right direction.
[21:56] SPEAKER_03: So that all community stakeholders can feel a part of the conversation. And we're excited to be as inclusive as possible.
[22:02] SPEAKER_03: We want to create an inviting and appealing and socially responsible model that really everyone could be proud of.
[22:07] SPEAKER_03: And again, we want to be that space that you're okay with bringing your mom and your colleague or your brother to.
[22:13] SPEAKER_03: You know, we really carry these spaces. These spaces is at best we can with the design focus in mind to really bring the best solution offering to table the meat.
[22:22] SPEAKER_03: You know, consumer needs and we're really proud of what we've been able to deliver so far.
[22:26] SPEAKER_00: Are you allowed to tell us that a secret as far as where the next retail outlets going to be?
[22:32] SPEAKER_03: Sure, well, we're opening up important. Moody marks 20th.
[22:36] SPEAKER_03: The date we have for our soft opening our grand opening will be around April 20th in the NIMO and Vancouver will be our next two locations.
[22:45] SPEAKER_03: And so those are I know exactly I'm extremely excited to be there.
[22:49] SPEAKER_03: Well, these are, these are, you know, ground hero for where the roots of cannabis have really been fostered and fermented.
[22:55] SPEAKER_03: And so we're very excited to be a part of those communities will be looking to that late spring early summer.
[23:01] SPEAKER_03: And, and yeah, we'll keep you posted for sure. We're excited to be a part of every community to be launching.
[23:06] SPEAKER_03: And particularly with the NIMO that we built some great groups there. I have some great friends in that community.
[23:12] SPEAKER_03: You know, we're going to be making some substantial contributions to some really quality endeavors that align nicely with the official community plan.
[23:20] SPEAKER_03: We're going to be contributing to the housing legacy fund.
[23:24] SPEAKER_03: And really, you know, looking to create collective solution building opportunities between not only industry representatives, but the whole community at large.
[23:32] SPEAKER_03: And we're really excited to be launching their students possible.
[23:36] SPEAKER_03: And we'll definitely keep you posted. Thank you so much.
[23:38] SPEAKER_01: Well, and let me just say from a heartfelt is there's something in in this conversation, Andrew, that I haven't experienced before is how much community engagement.
[23:50] SPEAKER_01: You as a company, which I'm going to actually turn around because you probably won't take the credit, but I will give you credit to say, you know, when you come from a nonprofit and a community building and a passion, passion driven purpose, you know, it totally comes out in everything that you do working with company.
[24:09] SPEAKER_01: Thank you. Congratulations on that.
[24:11] SPEAKER_03: I'm honored by that. Thank you.
[24:13] SPEAKER_01: Thank you so much for joining us here in Canada's podcast and we will see you soon in Fort Moody and the night.
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